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routsounmanman said:
Lurker said:
Nintendo must have really done something to piss off those third parties when they were on top all those years ago.

Indeed they did. They were so much better than them.

They still are



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One of his better articles in a while. It is and has always been suspicious always hearing analysts and publishers alike talking about Wii HD. I don't think I've ever seen a market leader who is still number one in console sales by a large margin over its competitors almost brow beat into doing something as nonsensical as to cut off their fanbase simply to upgrade visual quality? That doesn't seem to matter to the majority of Wii owners.

Main big name franchises would and DO sell great on Wii. That's just industry talk. A flop on Wii is Wii's audience fault a flop on the other consoles is because the game just wasn't any good. I'd love to see how well a spin off dead space rail shooter would sell on an HD console. I'm so glad NMH is coming to HD consoles I'm leaning toward it being a GTA:CW situation all over again.



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii had failed wouldn't Nintendo move strictly to handheld systems. We won't see Zelda or Mario on the hd twins but exclusively on the ds. With the ds install base they wouldn't need to move their IPs to the hd systems because people wounldn't pass on a ds zelda titles because there wouldn't be any flagship titles to wait for.

I don't like that idea at all.



Naum said:
routsounmanman said:
Lurker said:
Nintendo must have really done something to piss off those third parties when they were on top all those years ago.

Indeed they did. They were so much better than them.

They still are

...and will continute to be.



Kenology said:
Naum said:
routsounmanman said:
Lurker said:
Nintendo must have really done something to piss off those third parties when they were on top all those years ago.

Indeed they did. They were so much better than them.

They still are

...and will continute to be.

Enough of the fanboy banter.



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.

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Arius Dion said:


 I'm so glad NMH is coming to HD consoles I'm leaning toward it being a GTA:CW situation all over again.

 

So you're excited because an underappreciated game might flop when given another chance to find a new audience? What is wrong with you?



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As third parties shut out the Wii a ton of new gamers will shut out third parties. Most new gamers will not know or care who these developers are and will only recognize Nintendo games as quality.

As the gaming media shuts out the Wii a ton of new gamers will shut out the gaming media. Most new gamers will not know or care what these "professionals" have to say.


This is only if any of this stuff is really true. I'm still unconvinced and doubtful that the industry is really trying to get rid of Nintendo as a hardware company. However, if they are, and they don't succeed, they'll only be shooting themselves in the foot as these new gamers become core.



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disolitude said:
Sega fukd them selves over wth bad management. At their prime, they had more talent and balls than they had business sense.

Nintendo needs some of those Sega balls these days...they have been playing it completely safe for the last few years.

Otherwise, he is wrong as usual. Industry goes where the money is. Howmany 3rd party flops have there been on the wii? Not to mention that working with the Wii means working with yesterdays technology. People like to work with latest tech...


ARE YOU SAYING THEY PLAYED IT SAFE WITH WII!!!????

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH BALLS IT MUST'VE REQUIRED TO LAUNCH A CONSOLE *THAT* DIFFERENT!?



Dr.Grass said:
disolitude said:
Sega fukd them selves over wth bad management. At their prime, they had more talent and balls than they had business sense.

Nintendo needs some of those Sega balls these days...they have been playing it completely safe for the last few years.

Otherwise, he is wrong as usual. Industry goes where the money is. Howmany 3rd party flops have there been on the wii? Not to mention that working with the Wii means working with yesterdays technology. People like to work with latest tech...


ARE YOU SAYING THEY PLAYED IT SAFE WITH WII!!!????

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH BALLS IT MUST'VE REQUIRED TO LAUNCH A CONSOLE *THAT* DIFFERENT!?


They didn't have much choice in the home console market. they were a year late and have been losing market share for 2 prior generations playing along with the competition.

So yes, wii was a risk, but it was do or die.

I'm talking post Wii launch. Many publications and sites have criticized nintendo for just sitting there and collecting cash while they are really not doing much with it. Nintendo said they trippled their R&D...and vitality sensor is what they came up with? Hmm...



disolitude said:
Dr.Grass said:
disolitude said:
Sega fukd them selves over wth bad management. At their prime, they had more talent and balls than they had business sense.

Nintendo needs some of those Sega balls these days...they have been playing it completely safe for the last few years.

Otherwise, he is wrong as usual. Industry goes where the money is. Howmany 3rd party flops have there been on the wii? Not to mention that working with the Wii means working with yesterdays technology. People like to work with latest tech...


ARE YOU SAYING THEY PLAYED IT SAFE WITH WII!!!????

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH BALLS IT MUST'VE REQUIRED TO LAUNCH A CONSOLE *THAT* DIFFERENT!?


They didn't have much choice in the home console market. they were a year late and have been losing market share for 2 prior generations playing along with the competition.

So yes, wii was a risk, but it was do or die.

I'm talking post Wii launch. Many publications and sites have criticized nintendo for just sitting there and collecting cash while they are really not doing much with it. Nintendo said they trippled their R&D...and vitality sensor is what they came up with? Hmm...

R&D does tend to take a long time to bear fruit. Patience is necessary.



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