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Demotruk on 17 November 2009
noname2200 said:
disolitude said:
Can't blame them.

If in Russia they made a game like COD except reversed the roles...it would be all over the news in America and Obama would be giving a speech on national TV by now.

Let's not go overboard.

I'm not sure about Obama making a speech about it, but you'd have to admit it would be all over the media (especially the right wing media). It would be called "unamerican" etc. etc., but ultimately it wouldn't be banned.



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Zucas on 17 November 2009
Demotruk said:
noname2200 said:
disolitude said:
Can't blame them.

If in Russia they made a game like COD except reversed the roles...it would be all over the news in America and Obama would be giving a speech on national TV by now.

Let's not go overboard.

I'm not sure about Obama making a speech about it, but you'd have to admit it would be all over the media (especially the right wing media). It would be called "unamerican" etc. etc., but ultimately it wouldn't be banned.

OH yea it would be everywhere and as you said mainly on the right wing media but even the left wing (who usually allow more) would use it as a way for political means.  Not to mention most of the Americans would be against it, especially the religious which is very dominant in this country. 

But the great thing about this country is it WOULDN'T GET BANNED.  Got to love that magical thing called the bill of rights.  No judge in their right mind would allow such a thing to happen.  But yes it would have been quite controversial.



Smeags on 17 November 2009
Zucas said:

Well I have been playing NSMB Wii and it is quite healling haha.  Fun game with the right kind of difficulty.  Platformers is where the heart is at.

But when I play a game like MW2 I don't view myself as being the good guy or bad guy or shooting innocent people or not... I see it as digital animations and me controlling their actions.  It's not real so it is hard for me to personally feel like I am doing something wrong.  However, I do get the message the scene is trying to display and that is there is no good and bad in war.  Both sides do things that are sickening and morally wrong. 

Actually for the most part, I found the level to be more offensive to Americans, if anyone, because most Americans don't like to accept that their government (namely CIA) has doen some immoral unreputable things.  Things like this would be one of them (of course here there was another reason why it was going on haha).  But the level is their to make the point that both sides are going to do whatever it costs to win losing all moral obligations.  This is the reality of war displayed in a video game.  If you have a problem with this scene then why don't you have a problem with any video game that displays war.  Let's not be timely with our objections.

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Word up yo.

@The second paragraph

That's fine for you, but I suppose that you and I differ on the aspect of how the "reality" of the situation affects us. I definitely see where you're coming from, that it's not real... that it's more about the message than it is about what you're doing then and there. It's an unnerving look into the hell that war is (when a lot of people see it in itself as a noble endeavor). Still, for me to press that button, to "fire" upon the crowd... I wouldn't do it. I sorta pulled an IllegalPaladin and just kinda shot at random things like T.V.'s and other objects besides unarmed people (I'm glad IW didn't penalize me for that, kudos to them). I actually handed over the controller after a couple of minutes (I was just wondering if I would lose if I chose not to kill people).

But it does pose an interesting situation when the guards come in. They're innocent too. They're just doing their job... I know this is a work of fiction, but things like this happen every day around the world. So it just makes me think about the severity of what I'm doing, and why I'm doing it.

@The last sentence

I'm not sure if this was aimed at me... but I don't play war games in the first place (well, I just bought Reflex... but that's for multiplayer).



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Berkyt on 06 January 2010

IW in the absence of rating system (analogue PEGI), has decided to make censorship in our version. That - 2010, on XBox games are not present now, and I bought Korean free-region version with this "terrible" mission and finish game:) Game and a reality - different "concepts", therefore I don't understand "shouts" from other Russians.



mrstickball on 06 January 2010
ultima said:
PostModGuru said:
This is why I love living in America, because this act of banning games, movies, book burning, is completely against the freedoms inherent in my country's constitution. This is only a small example of what is wrong in countries like Russia and China. Freedom of expression is a human right. And although you may disagree with an idea, photo, video, whomever made it still has the right to do so and any person who wants to consume it also has the right to do so. Anyone who disagrees should try living in a shithole like communist china or the USSR. I don't think half of you who say that they agree that Russia has a right to do this could last a week in China with it's censored internet. That line of thinking is comparable to a religious extremist or fascist ideology. Adults should be able to consume anything; media, substances, ideas, etc. if the consumption is victimless. This just proves to me that Russia is still a third world country in terms of freedoms and still has a long way to go...

You really have no right to criticize a country you know very little about. What if someone walks into a bar in, say, Dallas and screams, "USA SUCKS!"? I'm certain he'll get beat to pulp (for exercising his freedom of speech, a fundamental human right). Or what about the Dixie Chicks case? Doesn't seem like America is that free after all...

Ah, but there is a huge difference there.

In your example, the man has the right to express himself. If he expresses himself in the wrong area at the wrong time, there are consequences for that. However, he is still free to express himself. Likewise, the man that was attacked would be able to face his attackers in court, and ensure they went to jail for their crimes.

I'm going to agree with PostMod here.

Russia banning the game shows that they are still protectionist when it comes to freedoms. That is that they don't want their country to be shown in a negative light. Of course, that is just the tip of their iceburg, as they don't quite have a great track record with human rights, or freedoms - even after the fall of the USSR.

On the other end, I can understand if Russians don't like what is portrayed in the game. They should be able to choose to not buy the game, or protest it. But to have the government come in and ban it is not great for freedom. What happens if Russia bans any game that portrays the west in a positive light, next?

 



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Seece on 06 January 2010

So, do we know how many copies this sold in russia??



 

Berkyt on 06 January 2010

Guys, MW2 NOBODY forbade in Russia:) IW itself has decided to cut out a scene.
Yes, we in Russia have some problems with the rights, but go out of doors and cry out "Putin in prison" I can ^ _ ^ Eventually freedom problem in Russia not only because of politicians. At us of ~70 % of people want a totalitarian mode, unfortunately. For example, Stalin consider as the tyrant more than 60 % interrogated, consider its guilty of crimes, however ~ 50 % consider that everything that Stalin made, it is possible to forgive for "merits" (in which I at all do not trust - then also Vlasov of the traitor can be justified - it the hero of protection of Moscow in 1942... - sh*t happens)

So, do we know how many copies this sold in russia??

In Russia because of the small market in general there are no statisticans. Only TOP the general.

At us XBox 360 and PS3 in the sum it is sold about 500.000-600.000. Judge:)



ShadowSoldier on 06 January 2010
mrstickball said:
ultima said:
PostModGuru said:
This is why I love living in America, because this act of banning games, movies, book burning, is completely against the freedoms inherent in my country's constitution. This is only a small example of what is wrong in countries like Russia and China. Freedom of expression is a human right. And although you may disagree with an idea, photo, video, whomever made it still has the right to do so and any person who wants to consume it also has the right to do so. Anyone who disagrees should try living in a shithole like communist china or the USSR. I don't think half of you who say that they agree that Russia has a right to do this could last a week in China with it's censored internet. That line of thinking is comparable to a religious extremist or fascist ideology. Adults should be able to consume anything; media, substances, ideas, etc. if the consumption is victimless. This just proves to me that Russia is still a third world country in terms of freedoms and still has a long way to go...

You really have no right to criticize a country you know very little about. What if someone walks into a bar in, say, Dallas and screams, "USA SUCKS!"? I'm certain he'll get beat to pulp (for exercising his freedom of speech, a fundamental human right). Or what about the Dixie Chicks case? Doesn't seem like America is that free after all...

Ah, but there is a huge difference there.

In your example, the man has the right to express himself. If he expresses himself in the wrong area at the wrong time, there are consequences for that. However, he is still free to express himself. Likewise, the man that was attacked would be able to face his attackers in court, and ensure they went to jail for their crimes.

I'm going to agree with PostMod here.

Russia banning the game shows that they are still protectionist when it comes to freedoms. That is that they don't want their country to be shown in a negative light. Of course, that is just the tip of their iceburg, as they don't quite have a great track record with human rights, or freedoms - even after the fall of the USSR.

On the other end, I can understand if Russians don't like what is portrayed in the game. They should be able to choose to not buy the game, or protest it. But to have the government come in and ban it is not great for freedom. What happens if Russia bans any game that portrays the west in a positive light, next?

 

Well im pretty sure the general consensus would be to have the game banned from retail would it not? And to everyone criticing Russia for this move, COME ON! I understand the whole freedom of speech thing but really, its a touchy subject right now that no one wants to be put in. Since 9/11 airport violence has become an incredible touchy subject for everyone and with good reason. To criticize Russia for not really agreeing with being put into the roll of "Terrorist" is foolishness.



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badgenome on 06 January 2010
ultima said:
PostModGuru said:
This is why I love living in America, because this act of banning games, movies, book burning, is completely against the freedoms inherent in my country's constitution. This is only a small example of what is wrong in countries like Russia and China. Freedom of expression is a human right. And although you may disagree with an idea, photo, video, whomever made it still has the right to do so and any person who wants to consume it also has the right to do so. Anyone who disagrees should try living in a shithole like communist china or the USSR. I don't think half of you who say that they agree that Russia has a right to do this could last a week in China with it's censored internet. That line of thinking is comparable to a religious extremist or fascist ideology. Adults should be able to consume anything; media, substances, ideas, etc. if the consumption is victimless. This just proves to me that Russia is still a third world country in terms of freedoms and still has a long way to go...

You really have no right to criticize a country you know very little about. What if someone walks into a bar in, say, Dallas and screams, "USA SUCKS!"? I'm certain he'll get beat to pulp (for exercising his freedom of speech, a fundamental human right). Or what about the Dixie Chicks case? Doesn't seem like America is that free after all...

So... your examples are some hypothetical bullshit you just made up and an instance in which the Dixie Chicks spoke their minds and their fans spoke back? Mmmkay.



alephnull on 06 January 2010
Zucas said:

OH yea it would be everywhere and as you said mainly on the right wing media but even the left wing (who usually allow more) would use it as a way for political means.  Not to mention most of the Americans would be against it, especially the religious which is very dominant in this country. 

But the great thing about this country is it WOULDN'T GET BANNED.  Got to love that magical thing called the bill of rights.  No judge in their right mind would allow such a thing to happen.  But yes it would have been quite controversial.

We would never ban products from a country we don't like. On a completely unrelated note, do you know where I can get some Cuban cigars? I would pick some up while visiting family there, but it seems visiting family is not covered in the bill of rights.