I don't think nintendo will release a hd unless it is some type of forwards compatible upgrade that the games still work on the old wii.

I say this because even though Nintendo denies it, they want to defeat sony's ps2 for the all time record. They won't release another console until its guaranteed that they will do it.

I know this is a speculation thread, but still: We know almost nothing about Natal and we know even less about the wand.

I'm thinking along these lines: If Natal is as cheap as the rumours are saying, and the Wand is as expensive as most expect, then you're dead wrong. If Natal's that cheap then I'm buying it for sure.

I think the PS Wand and Natal has a chance to succeed in different markets. The PS Wand might be a hit with hardcore gamers as its high precision will make it interesting for FPS games for instance. Natal has little hardcore appeal, and will probably mostly end up as 'flail a little with your arms here to revive' and similar gimmicks. However Natal do have a chance to shine in the causal exercise market where Nintendo is currently dominating as it allows more advanced exercise without the need for
any physical controls.

I believe this is sarcasm

Sony' Wand isn't a threat at all. seeing how successful and mainstream the Wii is, Sony's Wand will always be seen as just a Wiimote ripoff. not to mention the thing doesn't even have a nunchuk, you need an entire controller in your left hand to play with it.

Natal on the other hand could become a threat if it works out for MS. as Natal and Wii's controls are completely different.

Don't worry, Austin. Nintendo isn't going to let competitors win this time. They are already preparing the successor of the Wii and when Natal will launch in November 2010, Nintendo will unveal its brand new console. Sony and Microsoft are retarded about the motion control. Although they can do better than the Wii (which is not true with the Motion+), they are still copying Nintendo because they are jealous of Nintendo's success.

And seriously, Sony and Microsoft just have to rest on their laurels and wait for good games to come. That's really awful. I accuse them of laziness. I really hope their console will not beat the Wii because they don't deserve success.

Failed thread is fail.

If we use the OPs failed assertion that core gamers are what lead to casuals....why would the PS3 have more "core" gamers than the 360? Especially given install base.

Also let's not forget that the PS3 wand has generated about as much excitement as a funeral. While Natal has captured the attention of everybody from non gamers to media to core gamers to devs.
No, I see Natal being more of a threat to the Wiimote that the PS3 wand. Mainly because I don't think the PS3 wand will fare as well as Natal.

Nintendo couldn't have captured the casual without the dedicated support of the core.

The fact that MS and Sony have a core but fail to capture the casual is irrelevant. The core is still necessary.

BTW sony has a casual audience too that buys it as a blu-ray dvd player. They wouldn't have that if the core wasn't there telling everybody.

NEITHER CONTROLLER WILL HAVE ANY AFFECT WORTH MENTIONING DROP THIS USELESS BANTER IMMEDIATELY.

But if I have to choose one that will be more successful-Natal for sure.