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libellule on 03 November 2009
Reasonable said:
If GT5 features a superior rendering engine to GT5:P and gets in decent damage modeling the forums are going to melt down and I shall take a weeks vacation to avoid it.


then prepare yourself   ;)



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Alby_da_Wolf on 03 November 2009
libellule said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Rainbird said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
libellule said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Of course Eurogamer would pick GT5P. The GT series is the chosen game of Europe, period.


except that eurogamer gave Halo3 a 10/10

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/halo-3-review

and believe me, it is far from what others european site have given to this good (but far from perfect) game ...

Thats cool bro, but the GT series is still the main console brand of Europe. America barely cares about it anymore and Japan doesn't pay much attention to it. It doesn't matter that they gave Halo 3 10/10. It is the definitive exclusive console shooter.

So you still think that Digital Foundry (not Eurogamer) choose GT5:P over Forza 3 because of the site they post their content on is Eurogamer?

Not because of the site. It is because Europe loves GT. I cannot blame them really. Every official game turns out to be the total package.

OK, so let's stop the shit about europe in general and let's give a rest to Halo3.

let's focus on eurogamer biais will you ?

GT3 : 10/10
GT4 : 8/10
GT5pro : 8/10

FM1 : 9/10
FM2 : 9/10
FM3 : 9/10

How do they prefer GT over FM ?
With a 92/100 on metacritic, their review looks pretty fair !!!

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Well, you're right, it looks like they treated better Forza series, giving it constantly and on average 9/10, while GT3 had an excellent 10/10 but it was released when Forza wasn't there yet, while their scores for successive versions felt to 8/10, and the average is less than 9/10.

People can't calculate anymore... I blame pocket calculators!!!



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JaggedSac on 03 November 2009
kowenicki said:
leo-j said:
JaggedSac said:
^^Pretty sure it is, yes.

I guess kowenicki is a bloody liar

 
I'm sorry.... what?  where have I "lied".

Yeah, I am not sure what the hell this person is getting at.



Cypher1980 on 03 November 2009
huaxiong90 said:
Cypher1980 said:
GT5P does look nice and probably edges the graphical battle.

However GT will not be able to match the physics models and sample rates used in Forza 3 given the nature of the Cell chip.

I guess you should go with what is more important to you. Eye Candy or Accurate Simulation.

Riiiiiight, because GT5 released and we know what the final damage is like, eh?

No nothing to do with the damage models I was talking about the physics modelling of the cars.

Way to jump in with both feet tho ;)



huaxiong90 on 03 November 2009
Cypher1980 said:
huaxiong90 said:
Cypher1980 said:
GT5P does look nice and probably edges the graphical battle.

However GT will not be able to match the physics models and sample rates used in Forza 3 given the nature of the Cell chip.

I guess you should go with what is more important to you. Eye Candy or Accurate Simulation.

Riiiiiight, because GT5 released and we know what the final damage is like, eh?

No nothing to do with the damage models I was talking about the physics modelling of the cars.

Way to jump in with both feet tho ;)

My point still stands either way. Besides, the Cell beats the 360 in physics.



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selnor on 03 November 2009
Reasonable said:
libellule said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Rainbird said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
libellule said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Of course Eurogamer would pick GT5P. The GT series is the chosen game of Europe, period.


except that eurogamer gave Halo3 a 10/10

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/halo-3-review

and believe me, it is far from what others european site have given to this good (but far from perfect) game ...

Thats cool bro, but the GT series is still the main console brand of Europe. America barely cares about it anymore and Japan doesn't pay much attention to it. It doesn't matter that they gave Halo 3 10/10. It is the definitive exclusive console shooter.

So you still think that Digital Foundry (not Eurogamer) choose GT5:P over Forza 3 because of the site they post their content on is Eurogamer?

Not because of the site. It is because Europe loves GT. I cannot blame them really. Every official game turns out to be the total package.

OK, so let's stop the shit about europe in general and let's give a rest to Halo3.

let's focus on eurogamer biais will you ?

GT3 : 10/10
GT4 : 8/10
GT5pro : 8/10

FM1 : 9/10
FM2 : 9/10
FM3 : 9/10

How do they prefer GT over FM ?
With a 92/100 on metacritic, their review looks pretty fair !!!

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I wouldn't waste your breath.  I'm giving up on this thread.  The basic premise of the DF article is:

"GT5:P has overall the better rendering engine because, among other things, it can render the same track, details, etc. with more cars, better lighting, etc. at 1080p at 2xAA vs Forza 3 rendering at 720p at 2xAA."

Despite this clear, technical focus on rendering people are going "Europe loves GT", "Damange modelling", etc. etc. all of which are essentially irrelevant to the article as they pertain to other aspects of the game than graphical rendering.

 

People are quick to use this article as a be all end all. But seem to forget the 3 different sites that all favoured FM3's graphics over the so called newer and improved GT5 graphics a TGS09. But because they bring out the 2d trees etc, people say it's not about the scenery. But when in a thread where GT5 wins, you disregard us pointing out the poor scenery of GT5. If GT5 rendered the sort of complex scenery FM3 was and 360hrtz physics instead of GT5P 120 hrtz then it would not be in 1080p or have that much AA. It's a trade off. It's what you prefer.



JerCotter7 on 03 November 2009
selnor said:

People are quick to use this article as a be all end all. But seem to forget the 3 different sites that all favoured FM3's graphics over the so called newer and improved GT5 graphics a TGS09. But because they bring out the 2d trees etc, people say it's not about the scenery. But when in a thread where GT5 wins, you disregard us pointing out the poor scenery of GT5. If GT5 rendered the sort of complex scenery FM3 was and 360hrtz physics instead of GT5P 120 hrtz then it would not be in 1080p or have that much AA. It's a trade off. It's what you prefer.

I take it you have played GT5 so? Since you can comment on everything it has? The trees in GT5:P(the ones that everyone uses to support there argument) are about 5 miles away from the car. I'm looking for some in Forza to compare. Got any to show? 



JaggedSac on 03 November 2009
JerCotter7 said:
selnor said:

People are quick to use this article as a be all end all. But seem to forget the 3 different sites that all favoured FM3's graphics over the so called newer and improved GT5 graphics a TGS09. But because they bring out the 2d trees etc, people say it's not about the scenery. But when in a thread where GT5 wins, you disregard us pointing out the poor scenery of GT5. If GT5 rendered the sort of complex scenery FM3 was and 360hrtz physics instead of GT5P 120 hrtz then it would not be in 1080p or have that much AA. It's a trade off. It's what you prefer.

I take it you have played GT5 so? Since you can comment on everything it has? The trees in GT5:P(the ones that everyone uses to support there argument) are about 5 miles away from the car. I'm looking for some in Forza to compare. Got any to show? 

I don't really want to get involved, but there are a couple trees in the picture I posted with the Boss Mustang.



Adobo on 03 November 2009

okay



JerCotter7 on 03 November 2009
JaggedSac said:
JerCotter7 said:
selnor said:

People are quick to use this article as a be all end all. But seem to forget the 3 different sites that all favoured FM3's graphics over the so called newer and improved GT5 graphics a TGS09. But because they bring out the 2d trees etc, people say it's not about the scenery. But when in a thread where GT5 wins, you disregard us pointing out the poor scenery of GT5. If GT5 rendered the sort of complex scenery FM3 was and 360hrtz physics instead of GT5P 120 hrtz then it would not be in 1080p or have that much AA. It's a trade off. It's what you prefer.

I take it you have played GT5 so? Since you can comment on everything it has? The trees in GT5:P(the ones that everyone uses to support there argument) are about 5 miles away from the car. I'm looking for some in Forza to compare. Got any to show? 

I don't really want to get involved, but there are a couple trees in the picture I posted with the Boss Mustang.

Don't worry about getting involved. I'm just asking because I like to compare the games. I wont bite your head off.

Do you mean this picture? If so I am looking for them further away. As in a few miles away. Just for a comparison to the one that everyone uses for GT5. 

P.S. What the hell is up with the hood scoop on that car? The picture looks sweet but that just ruins it :( I love the reflection on the headlights though. Or am I just seeing things haha.