You can not have free will and also not have your actions planned out.  They are not exclusive.  Your actions are merely reactions to stimulus in a manner that is dictated by the composite attributes of your bodily functions.  You are merely an extremely complex function.  Wouldn't even take an omnipotent being to understand.  Just one with an incredible capacity for computation.

Capacity is a prerequisite for ability.

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Are you talking about chemicals, and brains? Are you saying we already have no free will because everything is determined by the world and every little action?

Capacity is a prerequisite for ability, but isn't ability itself (well you have the ability to be able to obtain the ability).

Yep.  You might think you are making your own decision, but your decision is being created by your body.

Not everyone has the capacity to lift 1000 lbs.  That is dictated by body structure and metabolism.  Not everyone is created equally.

That's aside the point. My only point was that capacity=/=actually being able to do something. So being able to become omnipotent (if it even was possible) doesn't make me omnipotent now. Just like being able to be able to lift 1000 (500, 300, etc, whatever, it's aside the point) doesn't make me able to do it now.

If you don't think we have free will, god or no god, that's fine with me XD

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the undimental flaw to your theory is that not every person will react to the same stimulation the same way

if i light a fire and burn my hand the pain stimulated will cause me to withdraw my hand however for people who like  to feel pain they could choice to have the oppisite reaction and reach for it

by your method every person will operate exactly the same way, but since we can choice to react differntly we have free will

No.  I did not say there was a unified reaction to all things.  The reaction is based on your specific body(hormone levels, brain, etc).

and the ability to choice despite those factors implies free will

Highway, God doesn't need to be infinite or to always have existed in order to have shaped the universe - see my last post. There's precedence for this stuff throughout many, many different mythologies. You're thinking of God as He must be to fit your worldview, when that isn't what God is about at all.

This next part is for everyone.

Now, as to why God can create somthing greater than himself: he already did.

The first thing that needs to be understood here is that most people's imagining of God (an invisible, omnipresent man in the skky who knows everything at once and can create or uncreate reality at will) is not in keeping with the original intent of the Jewish concept of Yahweh.

Dig this: in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 alone, God was neither omniscient nor omnipotent. He did not know that Adam and Eve had eatn of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge until he discovered that they were hiding from him: God actulaly had to deduce that they had eaten from the tree, and that was only after calling out to them so that they'd stop hiding from him, because people are almost impossible to find when they hide in Eden, apparently.

The only question is when God created somethign greater than himself, and the answer is that he already did that in man.

When Jacob wrestled with God in Genesis 32 (and this is the generally accepted interpretation if you know your Jewish texts, or so I am told) it was shown that God was literally unable to overpower Jacob, and that when he saw this he crippled Jacob in the hip, and even then could not overpower him. When the Sun rose and Jacob still had not been cast down, Jacob demanded two things: a blessing and the name of the being that he had just finished grappling with. To the former he was belssed with Israel, but the latter was refused him because no man can know or hear the name of God.

What this means is immensely important, and was explained to me by a Jewish friend.

The most literal and consistent interpretation of this passage is that God wasn ot wrestlign with Jacob's physical form but the force of Jacob's will, which in the end he was unable to overpower. He crippled Jacob's body to remind him always of humanity's frailty, but because Jacob showed his will as unbreakable to God he was blessed and given a name for his land.

The point here is that man's will is firstly absolute and secondly sacrosanct, the highest form to which man can aspire. We are all supposed to wrestle with God, to question God and His teachings and everything about Him, arriving at truth through our own paths as an exercise of our wills. To accept God blindly is itself a rejection of the greatest and most powerful of his blessings, and an immense insult to God - most people think of Abraham sacrificing his son as being a great honor to God, but this is not so. Abraham spent mos of his life arguing with God, convincing him (more than once) to spare thel ives of people in spite of their inequities, and this is a part of why God loved him so much. it is only the, when he surrendered his will and was willing to sacrifice his son, that God stopped speaking to him. That's an important point that needs to be brought up: Abraham was one of the Biblical figures who used to walk around with God and chat with him about humanity, and that was taken away from him when he ceased to exercise his will.

So, yes. God can make such a rock. You're that rock.

More, God does not know everything all at once, (this is a fairly recent idea) God is not omnipotent, (this an almost exclusively Christian idea, I think) and God can be both reasoned with and overcome by the will of man.

You think you are making a choice in spite of those factors, but it is those factors that are making your choice.  Even when you think they are not. :)

This is really, really off-topic at this point, buuuuuuut

A person who believes in free will necessarily believes that we are not just a summation of our body parts or chemical reactions that take lace inside of them. For instance, our bodies may just be conduits through which our soul or will acts on the world, and any reaction one sees in our bodies prior to our own "decisions" may in fact just be chemical signals of these interactions. The soul is not limited by the body, ergo there is free will in spite of our bodies being limited - they are biological computers, but they're hooked up to something much, much grander than that.

Yes, I know it's not falsifiable, but that hardly matters in this conversation.

(also read my above post and tell me what you think)