The answer is pretty obvious.
"Yes, unless he wants to lift it."
He can make a rock he can't lift if he really feels like it.... but then if he later feels... you know i'd like that rock liftable... then he'll lift it.
It's like asking if I can program a healing potion in a videogame that my character can't pick up. Sure I can, that doesn't mean i can't go back and rewrite the code if i want.
Also, how does knowing what decision everyone is going to make negate free will.
That's like saying George Washington doesn't have free will because I know what decision he was going to make.
| highwaystar101 said: Have I not been speaking English in this thread? 4. Therefore two opposing conclusions can be drawn... i. If God was an infinite being but created the finite Universe, then we must assume that God has had to become finite in order to interact or create it, therefore adhering to the same limitations as all beings within our Universe making it as mortal/fragil as you and I. So it can't move a rock of theoretical infinite size within our finite Universe. ii. God is infinite and therefore can move any rock of any size, dimension or weight within an infinite realm. But this would make it unlikely that God is a creator of our Universe. |
I can write a complete computer program of a world. I am not then bound by the laws of this world. I'm not anymore finite then I was before I do it.
I think your logic is flawed.
Kasz216 said:
I can write a complete computer program of a world. I am not then bound by the laws of this world. I'm not anymore finite then I was before I do it. I think your logic is flawed. |
I can see where you're coming from Kasz, but I think you overlooked one factor. You are not a being that exists in a infinite world lol.
My hypothesis was that a finite being can create a finite world, therefore you're example supports my hypothesis.
highwaystar101 said:
I can see where you're coming from Kasz, but I think you overlooked one factor. You are not a being that exists in a infinite world lol. |
No, but i'm a being who lives in a LESS finite world.
The confines of the world i created are less then of the world I live in.... such a world could not contain me.
| Kasz216 said: The answer is pretty obvious. "Yes, unless he wants to lift it." He can make a rock he can't lift if he really feels like it.... but then if he later feels... you know i'd like that rock liftable... then he'll lift it. It's like asking if I can program a healing potion in a videogame that my character can't pick up. Sure I can, that doesn't mean i can't go back and rewrite the code if i want. |
That answer may have a problem, I think: doesn't it mean God is, at some poin, at least, not omnipotent?
I agree with you on free will, however.
The usual argument goes, "I am going to choose to do this thing in a moment. God knows it, and he his never wrong. Therefore, I have no choice but to choose to do that thing". If you take out the middle part, one will notice that it still follows.
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| Kasz216 said: Also, how does knowing what decision everyone is going to make negate free will. That's like saying George Washington doesn't have free will because I know what decision he was going to make. |
I disagree on your second sentence.
If there is any being that knows for certain what path you will take at every point in your life beforehand with no possible way for you to change that, one could argue that your life is predetermined. If you think you are trying to change your predermined path, you aren't, you are just making another turn on that path as it was known you would. Despite that, I do agree somewhat with the argument you are making.
If God knew this anyway, he would know who is going to heaven and hell already. If he is against impending on free will (as people seem to use as a defense for him preventing people doing things that damns them to hell) why were the commandments given? Why does he have humans informed of his existance at all?
appolose said:
That answer may have a problem, I think: doesn't it mean God is, at some poin, at least, not omnipotent? I agree with you on free will, however. The usual argument goes, "I am going to choose to do this thing in a moment. God knows it, and he his never wrong. Therefore, I have no choice but to choose to do that thing". If you take out the middle part, one will notice that it still follows. |
Omnipotence = Being able to do anything you want to do... right?
So, he chooses to make a rock he can't lift... because he doesn't want to... and it remains unliftable until he actually wants to lift it.
He can't life the rock because he wants to try and fail at lifting it.
SeriousWB said:
I disagree on your second sentence. If there is any being that knows for certain what path you will take at every point in your life beforehand with no possible way for you to change that, one could argue that your life is predetermined. If you think you are trying to change your predermined path, you aren't, you are just making another turn on that path as it was known you would. Despite that, I do agree somewhat with the argument you are making. If God knew this anyway, he would know who is going to heaven and hell already. If he is against impending on free will (as people seem to use as a defense for him preventing people doing things that damns them to hell) why were the commandments given? Why does he have humans informed of his existance at all? |
Ok, i'll rewrite my second sentence slightly.
Say i build a time machine and go back in time to when George Washington was born.
Have I robbed him of his free will?
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