im sure almost all of the drunk drivers who've killed or injured someone with their car would have claimed they were perfectly capable of driving.


and no i wouldnt say your parents are being reasonable. they are being far to nice to you.

That is what I think it is boiling down to.

The thing is that they don't really do anything to you for driving without a license. I can only speak for what happens in California, but all they really do is charge you up the ass for it.

In that sense, I think the parents should let him drive if he is willing to risk having those charges. Part of becoming an adult is making big decisions like that for yourself, and it seems like the parents are holding him back from doing this.

Yeah, I don't 'hate' my parents for doing this, I just disagree with their reasoning. Hell, they've done a lot for me and forgiven me a lot, but I don't think it's necessary for them to punish me for something that *technically* doesn't even affect them. Yes they don't HAVE to drive me around, they'd just rather do it then let me drive, which actually makes it more difficult for all parties involved. And for the record, I don't drink and drive anymore, so I guess the law had its intended effect.

All I wanted to know was how other parents would've treated the situation if it was their kid.

I would agree with you on this point, but you also have to remember, the parents have to pick up the pieces, they are driving him everywhere, and charging him a mere pittance for rent. What I would do if I was his parent is give him a choice. He could either continue to live under my roof and live by my rules. OR he can do what he wants, in which case, I would kick him out, and promise him that I would not be there to bail him out or drive him to work if he got caught again.

My answer is your 20. They have no obligation to take care of you, and they have no authority to remove your keys from you.

So you have a simple choice. Take your keys and take care of yourself, or live off the kindness of others, and deal with there rules.

Oh, and the drunk driving thing. I think driving drunk is stupid, but I think what's drunk, and what the law says is drunk are not remotely the same thing.

Hello I'm Highwaystar101, have we met before? I make drunk threads at a rate of like one per month and I'm a member of CAMRA. I go to clubs, pubs and Beer festivals. So yeah, I get drunk.

nice to meet you highway101

Maybe not to you or me, we could be nice drunks, I know I am, everyone is my best friend when I'm drunk.

But how many fights have you seen outside nightclubs over a spilt drink or fights outside a bar because some guy was looking at another guys girlfriend? I know I've seen dozens. Drink (particularly Stella Artois) makes some people act more irrational than they would do normally.

Oh my God I can't believe what I'm hearing lol. You honestly think certain "types" of alcohol cause differences in behavior? Come on man, alcohol is alcohol, regardless of what additives are included. This one bitch I know thinks vodka makes her a lot more mean, whiskey makes her laugh, and rum makes her sleepy. she is STUPID.

People do not use it as a scapegoat. Do you know how much drink driving reduces your action times alone despite it being such a small amount? It is from 1 to 5 seconds depending on how much you have drank. That's enough to cause a fatal accident. Alcohol impairs you ability to drive, fact. Just like it impares your ability to do anything. Everyone who drives drunk and thinks it is a good idea is an idiot in my view, it's a stupid thing to do and it's a good way to end up dead.

Why do you think the government are so keen to stop drink driving? I know in the UK the government and NHS are constantly running adverts against drink driving, drug driving and driving whilst on the phone, because those situations kill people.

In the USA in 1999 drivers caused 7% of road accidents, BUT caused 38% of the fatalities. What does that does that tell you about driving drunk? It's often not a case of just bumping somebodies car bumper like many crashes where the drivers were sober. It is often the case that driving drunk causes irrational behaviour and impaired ability to drive, which, as a vast amount of evidence shows, is a lethal concoction.