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WarmachineX on 15 October 2009

consoles are for american noobs.

its all about the sex dolls in japan now. it is the F_U_T_U_R_E so jump in-to one.





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HanzoTheRazor on 15 October 2009

That brings back campy memories. Blacula FTW!



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Bladeforce on 15 October 2009

All this means is the gaming world has moved and Japan is just not as big a mmarket as it once was and in my opinion should be removed from VG Chartz



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zuvuyeay on 15 October 2009
Bladeforce said:
All this means is the gaming world has moved and Japan is just not as big a mmarket as it once was and in my opinion should be removed from VG Chartz


i agree....although japan and video games have history and influence........i think the time has come for an asian section....europe and the americas.....on vgchartz.......



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tedsteriscool on 15 October 2009
Bladeforce said:
All this means is the gaming world has moved and Japan is just not as big a mmarket as it once was and in my opinion should be removed from VG Chartz

Should be removed? That'd ignore 13.5 million current gen home console purchases. Sort of a big group to disregard, don't you think?



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z101 on 15 October 2009

The Wii will have Final Fantasy: The Crystal Bearers and Tales of Graces in 2009 and Dragon Quest X 2010, Mario Galaxy 2, Metroid Other M. That will bost the sales

The PS3 has FF13 that will probably bost the sales too.



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johnsobas on 15 October 2009
ioi said:
johnsobas said:
yes ioi said sales would be higher, but ioi was wrong. If you look historically price cuts haven't had much effect, and haven't had any legs. The fact that the wii held strong is quite good. Everyone just got their hopes up because of ioi, but his logic was flawed. This isn't the west, most of the boost for the wii was on the first and second day of the price cut. The PS3 slim is unprecedented in Japanese sales history, no system has got that kind of boost from any price cut, change in look of console, or game.

Excuse me?

I said Wii should be flat or could actually go up - it stayed pretty much flat. I was spot on. People were suggesting that Wii sales will be down this week like the week after PS3 slim launch and I've gone to a great length the explain the difference between the two - new model = large peak, drops away, price drop = flat sustained lift. We're talking 2-3k here, it was effectively flat. It shouldn't be down much next week either - another 25-30k I'd say, with PS3 20-25k. So the price drop will have absolutely had a sustained and long-term effect, otherwise it would be back down to the 10-15k pre price drop levels. I don't see how my logic was flawed!

As for PS3 slim being sales "unprecidented", did you not see these graphs I posted:

PSP 2000 and PSP 3000 releases saw exactly the same thing as PS3 slim release - it isn't unprecidented in any way whatsoever. Huge peak, drops away quickly. PS3 peak was larger than expected, but the general pattern of sales is exactly as expected.

This is the quietest time of the year, this typhoon will have had some effect (difficult to say how much but DS was down 10k this week as well). I wouldn't be worrying about either PS3 or Wii - 25k is about what PS2 sold at this point every year.

I'd get your facts straight before making posts like this in future. Nothing I've said so far has been incorrect - everything is playing out just as I've said it would.

i have to apologize for one thing, the quote that I was thinking of was from the source and not from you.  You did indeed say it would be up or flat at worst (it was only down slightly).  As far as that goes i'm sorry you were close on that one.

The PS3 is unprecedented because you're comparing consoles to handhelds.  Handhelds being the one that you need to carry around with you at all times, and has already shown many times that new models create massive boosts.  Not only that but these handhelds have things like better screens, and more features while the PS3 is just slightly slimmer.  The boost for PS3 was so big the only thing it is comparable to is christmas in september.  Where is this precendent where a console sales went up that much for any change in a console?  I dunno if you could even find any game, price cut, or any combination that caused that radical of a change for any console ever.  Last year PS3 was selling 8k a week at this point.



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saicho on 15 October 2009
johnsobas said:
ioi said:
johnsobas said:
yes ioi said sales would be higher, but ioi was wrong. If you look historically price cuts haven't had much effect, and haven't had any legs. The fact that the wii held strong is quite good. Everyone just got their hopes up because of ioi, but his logic was flawed. This isn't the west, most of the boost for the wii was on the first and second day of the price cut. The PS3 slim is unprecedented in Japanese sales history, no system has got that kind of boost from any price cut, change in look of console, or game.

Excuse me?

I said Wii should be flat or could actually go up - it stayed pretty much flat. I was spot on. People were suggesting that Wii sales will be down this week like the week after PS3 slim launch and I've gone to a great length the explain the difference between the two - new model = large peak, drops away, price drop = flat sustained lift. We're talking 2-3k here, it was effectively flat. It shouldn't be down much next week either - another 25-30k I'd say, with PS3 20-25k. So the price drop will have absolutely had a sustained and long-term effect, otherwise it would be back down to the 10-15k pre price drop levels. I don't see how my logic was flawed!

As for PS3 slim being sales "unprecidented", did you not see these graphs I posted:

PSP 2000 and PSP 3000 releases saw exactly the same thing as PS3 slim release - it isn't unprecidented in any way whatsoever. Huge peak, drops away quickly. PS3 peak was larger than expected, but the general pattern of sales is exactly as expected.

This is the quietest time of the year, this typhoon will have had some effect (difficult to say how much but DS was down 10k this week as well). I wouldn't be worrying about either PS3 or Wii - 25k is about what PS2 sold at this point every year.

I'd get your facts straight before making posts like this in future. Nothing I've said so far has been incorrect - everything is playing out just as I've said it would.

i have to apologize for one thing, the quote that I was thinking of was from the source and not from you.  You did indeed say it would be up or flat at worst (it was only down slightly).  As far as that goes i'm sorry you were close on that one.

The PS3 is unprecedented because you're comparing consoles to handhelds.  Handhelds being the one that you need to carry around with you at all times, and has already shown many times that new models create massive boosts.  Not only that but these handhelds have things like better screens, and more features while the PS3 is just slightly slimmer.  The boost for PS3 was so big the only thing it is comparable to is christmas in september.  Where is this precendent where a console sales went up that much for any change in a console?  I dunno if you could even find any game, price cut, or any combination that caused that radical of a change for any console ever.  Last year PS3 was selling 8k a week at this point.

PSTwo? Other than Sony, I don't remember any other console has redesigns.



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c0rd on 15 October 2009

johnsobas, I believe this is what the PS2 looked like when the slim launched:

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=GC&reg1=Japan&cons2=PS2&reg2=Japan&cons3=XB&reg3=------&start=38256&end=38382

It shot up to 131k, which is pretty close to Christmas level (about 360% increase YoY). I'm quite sure it didn't come with a price cut, either, which would have easily put it above the PS3 slim launch.


I don't think we can make an exception for the PS3 that it's "the only console that has ever done this," just because it was selling like crap last year. The 360 has had many software boosts larger than its Christmas boosts, and if we're talking YoY boosts, there's at least one as big as the PS3's.

For example, the week of 9/16/07 it sold 1.5k, but on week 9/14/08 (IU release) it sold 28k.