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Xoj on 09 October 2009
coolbeans said:
Xoj said:
coolbeans said:
iWarMachine said:
coolbeans said:
RageBot said:
TowlieFTW said:
Xoj said:
well halo 3 wasn't innovative, whats the score?

Forge, Screenshots, Fileshare-being able to download things from B.net, Theatre, 4 player co-op, Massive stat tracking on Bungie.net-heatmaps etc., video rendering.

 

Ignore all of those please.

Don't mind if I will, since all of these existed on the PC WWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY before bungie created the first Halo :)

Yes same for Play.Create.Share. on LBP have been done on PC WWWWAAAAAYYYYYY before this game was announced :).  So much for double-standards on your part, amirite?

wait.... there's a full game that is like LBP on PC? =/....

i'm sorry but the truth is that Bungie did the exact same thing as naughty dog, yet they receive a 9.8 for their game and ND gets 9.3 for something that it's done better (cinema mode) (Storytelling)?

also truth is that Epic took some modes from other games and improve them, still it's innovation for GT and it scored 9.5...

also truth is that GTAIV DIDN'T INNOVATE AT ALL. and it scored 9.8...

lol the PC itself is a Play.Create.Share Genre is what's known.

You forgot to mention Bungie did this over 2 years ago!! That's called evolving standards, not double.

Innovative in it's gameplay mechanics, bro.  Mentioned that on last page, reviewer said he just didn't find that change in Uncharted 2 (which gameplay from the first one wasn't great to begin with)

And yet your only complaining about that while GTAIV gets 10's on Gamespot and others, while U2's getting 9.5 and what not.  Should've you be yelling double standards about that at them too while your at it? Or just the website that gives U2 a great score of 9.3?

 

 

WHAT gameplay wasn't?

GREAT platforming, GREAT TPS WITH COVER SYSTEM ,impressive close combat AND STEALTH KILLING.

they nail each of them. NAILED THEM, RIP THEM APART remade them and owned them.

besides it have nice storytelling, cinema mode, great graphics and smooth framerate and controls.

everything in halo 3, was in other FPS, space marines low quality story ? check, co op 4 players? check, on the n64, online? done before!.

GTA IV is GTA 3 + online which they added a cellphone with advertising.

and gears 2, pretty much the same, if you tell horde mode was impressive you should see how i rocked "zombies ate your neightboors" in the snes.

and they are saying uncharted 2 can't get more because lack of innovation yet other games doesn't half u2 dont?, not even that , they post about how people bitch about it?

dude you are releaving why the game got a lack score at least make it believeable.

No, the only thing I'm "releaving" is an agruement that has gotten nowhere except you showing your opinion for a game you haven't even played yet all the while downing other games that have recieved a better score from gt.  I could possibly make more progress in an arguement with a brick wall all the while not hear things as dumb as what you have just posted.  If you feel like not bringing this convo any more backwards then you already have please let me know.  Not huge on the "dogging" others deal but I'm just not in the mood to go around in circles with a game you have yet to play.

the demo it's on the PSN if u didn't know i played all mentioned games ;).

gameplay it's fantastic! and even it have a decent story to boot.

 



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iWarMachine on 09 October 2009
hsrob said:
iWarMachine said:
guys, we're not talking about the 9.3 here, it's an awesome score, we all know that.
the subject here is that GT is talking about "we don't give more than 9.3 to any game that is not innovative" when they give geow2 a 9.5? a halo 3 a 9.8? a gtaIV a 9.8?

I wasn't there when the whole shitstorm kicked off but how did the 9.3 issue even arise in the first place?  What prompted GT to explain their score?

yep, they said that uncharted 2 didn't hit a higher score because it wasn't innovative and any other game that it's not innovative couldn't get a higher score from them, then the ps3 owners started a shitstorm because games like gears 2, halo 3, and GTAIV scored higher than 9.3 even if they didn't add anything new to the genre/games.



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themanwithnoname on 09 October 2009

I'm pretty sure that GTA IV was the first one with online multiplayer, which yes, was pretty innovative for an open world game. Nevermind that we have Mr. Power here who refuses to admit the game contains any faults at all, but yet isn't complaining about IGN and their 9.5 score, just GameTrailers with their score a whopping .2 or one fifth of a point lower!

This thread has progressed from stupidity into downright lunacy.



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room414 on 09 October 2009
indodude said:
This thread makes me ill.... 9.3, yet some of you bitch and moan about it? Please remove the sand out of your vaginas.

Can you people get it through your heads that it's NOT about the score. Whether real or imagined it's about bias on the part of gametrailers.



                                
Procrastinato on 09 October 2009

^^ Great post, Zucas!

GT decided to give the game a 9.3, and that's that. His whole story about innovation really has nothing to do with it, since its obviously inconsistant -- its not some policy they have in place. He's human, like the rest of us, and felt some need to defend his score -- he chose a really poor position to "defend" it from, but... that's what he did.

There are some fairly strong correlations, given the fair differences between small score values with the "inflated" score system, between GT scores on the PS3 vs GT scores on the 360, so that probably did come into play here, whether they want to admit it, or even consciously realize it, or not.

In any case, no matter how much anyone complains, whatever it is that gives GT "less of a good vibe" about U2 (or any PS3 game, apparently), isn't going to change because someone gets mad about it, and posts on some forums.

Just don't visit their site for reviews, if you dislike what they have to say. Action, not words.



 

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ZenfoldorVGI on 09 October 2009
leo-j said:
CaptDS9E said:
Maybe the reviewer enjoys GTAIV a bit more. What the big deal? It got a 9.3

look at the site, they are going lunatic because of the score

Nobody's going lunatic. Just a few rabblerousers and nardowells raising a stink due to their bias, and fanboyism.

Honestly, to whine because the game only got a 9.3? Who are these people?



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kutasek on 09 October 2009
Procrastinato said:

Onyx, I think you're getting aggravated over this discussion because it means nothing to you, personally, and you don't understand it.  While I think I agree with your point-of-view, as I stated, scores really are for people, to whom, a difference of 0.1 is "important".

In that sense, by saying this thread is (some bad words I won't repeat), you're just judging these folks, based on your own personal values and opinions.  I can understand why people are upset -- the gametrailers reviewer spent a long time fabricating an explanation -- apparently it was important enough to him to defend his score.  He made a lot of logical missteps, and frankly, that's going to upset the people he was trying to address.

Thus, the thread.  

It is justified, from that point of view.  It's something people want to talk about.

People are taking just taking things way too seriously, they need to take a nap or something.



iWarMachine on 09 October 2009
room414 said:
indodude said:
This thread makes me ill.... 9.3, yet some of you bitch and moan about it? Please remove the sand out of your vaginas.

Can you people get it through your heads that it's NOT about the score. Whether real or imagined it's about bias on the part of gametrailers.

nope, simply because they don't read anything in the thread.



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kutasek on 09 October 2009
Mr_Power said:
Onyxmeth said:
kutasek said:
Onyxmeth said:

This is the saddest, sack of shit thread this site has had in a long time. Congrats Soriku. The Ubisoft boycott has competition.

Anyhoos, just to attempt to put an end to this:

Uncharted received an 89 from Gametrailers and the sequel got a 93. Gears of War got a 91 from Gametrailers and the sequel got a 95. In both cases, the sequels got a 4% increase even without innovating. Is that fair enough?

Regarding GTA IV and Halo 3, both were the first in the series this gen, so everything had a nice coat of polish on it, and that counts for something. Both Gears and Uncharted are on their second games this gen, and the standards to differentiate are higher for both. It seems regardless of the speech used, Gametrailers has treated both fairly equally, even though it was surely accidental.

I think the real problem isn't that they worded their explanation poorly, it's that they had to provide an explanation in the first place just because complete morons felt the need to complain about a 9.3. You, including those bitching in this thread, are the problem with the review system.

People are forgetting, that Halo 3 was in 2007, and Gears 2 in 2008, standards change quickly. I still can't believe, people are crying over 9.3, they are less than half a point apart. Ps3 fanboys(evil kind) on gametrailers, are awful, they gave me chills just thinking about them.

People aren't forgetting a damn thing. They're conveniently pegging it to Gears of War to suit their needs, but in the next argument will mention just how different it is. Let's look at this in reality. Uncharted is not original because it's Tomb Raider with a high polish. I loved the game to death, but frankly it got beat long ago as far as innovation goes. People were pegging it as Dude Raider before it even came out, and there's a reason why.

 

 

And what's gears of war? Nothing more than a Duke Nukem in third person.

Oh, and they also stole Killswitches cover system, and Used the same art from Unreal Tournament 3.

gears of war is nothing mroe than a "Oh, Unreal doesn't applease to the underage kids, lets make a bad asser game, make it third person, reuse the same art system, and steal duke nukem."

Of course, this is only true if you call it dude raider.

Uncharted is nothing like Tomb Raider. It just involves the same setting. Just like..

Duke Nukem
Halo
Gears of War
Resistance
Crysis
Half-Life

Doom

Quake

..

the list goes on forever, of games that are exactly the same "Setting"

 

Alien comes, shoot shit, space marine. There is nothing original about halo or gears, or GTA IV.

 

Infact, Uncharted is infinitely more original than all of those titles.

Modern Warfare two. Its war, in the future. GAME OF THE YEAR 10/10 ITS THE BEST THING EVER OH GOD THEY MADE IT IN THE FUTURE.

 

No. Call of Duty 4 is good because it does everything everyone already did but significantly BETTER.

Which is why uncharted 2 should of got the same treatment from gametrailers, but it did not.

 

That is the issue. It's simply unfair to the developers.

Resident evil 4 was his biggest inspiration, for gears of war, also paintball, to be honest.



Kenryoku_Maxis on 09 October 2009
Mr_Power said:
Onyxmeth said:

This is the saddest, sack of shit thread this site has had in a long time. Congrats Soriku. The Ubisoft boycott has competition.

Anyhoos, just to attempt to put an end to this:

Uncharted received an 89 from Gametrailers and the sequel got a 93. Gears of War got a 91 from Gametrailers and the sequel got a 95. In both cases, the sequels got a 4% increase even without innovating. Is that fair enough?

Regarding GTA IV and Halo 3, both were the first in the series this gen, so everything had a nice coat of polish on it, and that counts for something. Both Gears and Uncharted are on their second games this gen, and the standards to differentiate are higher for both. It seems regardless of the speech used, Gametrailers has treated both fairly equally, even though it was surely accidental.

I think the real problem isn't that they worded their explanation poorly, it's that they had to provide an explanation in the first place just because complete morons felt the need to complain about a 9.3. You, including those bitching in this thread, are the problem with the review system.

Wrong.

The problem with the review system is lack of consistancy. Uncharted 2 has proven to be a better game than many games that they scored higher than it.

Case in point, a 9.5 is better than a 9.3

The problem is that uncharted 2, being the greatest game of this generation, will not the the credit it deserves (99 on metacritic) because of sites like game trailers and game daily who have clearly been either A) Paid to review lower, or B) Simply jealous.

Guys, can you realize no review site has 'consistancy'.  They all are reviewing games based on their own systems and not only that, on their own bias.  Yes, their judging based on opinions.  Which is the big problem you are having in this thread.  You don't like that their opinion isn't that, to quote you, 'Uncharted 2 is the greatest game of this generation'.  And you're just going to have to face the facts that not everyone agrees with that.  And that reviewers are not machines who only judge games based on a 5 point system with no bias.

I would have thought after the hundreds of stupid IGN reviews we get posted on this site you would have figured this out by now.  But nw you're throwing an even bigger stink over a GameTrailers review.  And one that's a 9.3 one at that.  Where's all the complaining whenever a Wii or DS game gets a 8.2 for being 'too innovative'?  Give me a break, sit down and enjoy your game that will probably sell 4 million.

And GameTrailers, out of ALL the sites, is one of the few that doesn't get paid for reviews.  If they did, why would they have given past games like FFXII or Halo 3 or MGSIV lower scores than other sites?  If you want to throw that accusation, go throw it at all those sites you're trying to praise for upscoring the game.



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