The PS3 introduced a new redesign AND introduced a much more impressive price cut and yet they can barely stay over 360 in Americas after 1 month (week of oct 3rd's sales figures are very close now). That is not a good sign.

Worldwide, you'd think that the PS3 would catch up eventually but the MS has more options they can consider at this point to stay competitive. The 360 price cut doesn't even hold a candle to the PS3 price cut so MS has a lot more room to initiate further cuts. The entry cost for a PS3 is now $300, instead of $400 and you get 50% more HD space AND a slim redesign added bonus (80 to 120) whereas the entry cost for a 360 is still $300 (you just have double the hard drive space for that price now). And no the Arcade doesn't count because it's a very barebones system that's only good for offline. Sony really went all-out with this huge price cut and since their system costs more to make than a 360 (Blu-Ray, Wi-Fi, Cell processor is more expensive), we know Sony is bleeding much more than Microsoft is on their hardware. Heck MS might not even be bleeding at all on hardware anymore. Microsoft can easily counter with a $50 price cut if they really wanted to. In fact they should. It would take the wind out of the PS3's sails in Europe/Others, the swing region warzone. Whatever they do, MS is not just going to sit there while Sony eats away at their lead in Europe/Others. Japan is already lost (though they shouldn't give up on Japan. They improved quite a bit from last gen), America is already in the bag so you know Europe/Others will be a priority for them. That's where the race will be won or lost.

With MS having deeper pockets and cheaper hardware, red inked Sony doesn't want to play the price slashing game with them. MS can eat the losses no problem whereas Sony's shareholders would be calling for their head if they bled the company further. Sony really made a big desperation move releasing a slim with 50% more HD space at $100 off.

Whats with this new trend? Lets bash Sony just because were bored? Opinions shout out as facts?

To the OP: Nice opinion there, keep it. What if Sony do manages? I think its really hard, but this gen is a total travesty from previous ones. You see, and this is really arguable, what mattered this gen is PRICE! My point is quite simple. Nintendo practicaly won this gen(mostly, not solely, mind you) on the Wii's price. The 'innovation' factor may already died, as before the price cut the sales were declining, not like a free fall, but they were...lets just put it because of the lack of software too. While you can argue about that in relation to Wii, Sony may as well be said that lost because of it. MS can simply trow money away, wich it really did, with the RROD problems, exclusives that arent really exclusives and so on.

These past weeks we see Sony back to top (I am not counting the DSi here....its something that is a annormality in itself, and while I can understand why people may buy that thing, its really something I would never buy, its not for my tastes) and then we have the Sony fanboys trying to get back some fire in thenselves, because the beating the other ones were delivereing for the past months were brutal, because this gen, wich is all about price, is also all about SALES NUMBERS! The more the better. Forget about quality, that doenst really matters this gen.

So, when I see this kind of tread, wich is quite amuzing if you see with free eyes (free in the sense that I dont really care about this fanboyish trend of speaking opinions as facts) I see just how sad this gen come to be.

Let me sumarize it: Nintendo practically won this gen on price (IMO). Other factor are there too, but its late here and I am lazy, so I wont go too far tonight. Sony lost because of the same reason, on price and other factors, well know to those who researchs well enough. MS is around trowing money away because it can, and will do it more if it can help them to keep the lead from Sony. Only the fanboys use definitives. Thats a FACT right there for ya. This gen isnt over, as some loves to say. Will MS or Sony reach Nintendo numbers? Not likely. Will Sony reach and, god forsakes!, surpass MS? Its possible, dificult, but possible. Too many things can happen, things that the companies cannot control. Look at last year. Sony beaten MS all year, but the downturn of the global economy, paired with a price cut (remember my main point? this gen is all about price!) killed wathever countger attack Sony may have tried after that.

Taking that as a new view on things, why not stop this nonsense and see what happens? I know it will fall on deaf ears, but oh well, it really doesnt matters does it? IF it happens it happens, if not, I quote Squall Leonhart from FFVIII here.

Well, technically the Ps2 can be deadlast for 5/6 years and still be a head of wii and by next gen will be out

Sony isn't going anywhere if anything they're going up and PS3 is coming with them

"Soon". You said that the Slim is the "last roll of the dice" for PS3, which is a 100% incorrect statement.

GoW 3 will shift consoles in NA, if its a small bump or a large bump... It is still a system seller.

There has already been 3 Halo games on 360. If anyone want's Halo they will have got a 360 for it already. Reach will cause a 20k boost at most. I find it amusing that the first GoW game releasing on PS3 wont provide a substantial boost, but the 4th Halo game on 360 will sell a ton of 360's.

Gears 3 is said to be not releasing this generation, Epic's own words.

And im not getting into a list war of games that will sell well, it's too late.

good point Carl. That's what I was thinking! 

I would hardly say never. It is unlikely that PS3 will pass 360 in total sales but hey the gap is down to 7.39million and by 1st Jan 2010 it will probably be sub-5million...

i swear some people who are always against the ps3 make me laugh. aint most of you guys the same people that predicted the ps3 would be selling like 100-150k now? i clerly remember a thread where all prediction were wrong! most people thought the ps3 slim was gonna sell only 250k laucnh week then go back down to 150k. its fucking seling 250k now 6 weeks after the slim lauched and thats september! seriously guys think about it for 1 minute!

The PS3 will overtake the XBox 360 in 2010 - guaranteed.

ok let me get this straight! beware, what im about to say is gonna make you look like a fool! your telling me that GT5 aint gona give the ps3 a big boost, the first gt on ps3 but the 3rd installment of gears of war  and that new halo is gonna give the 360 big boosts when there have already been several parts on the 360? how can anyone take you seriously after saying that!!

Here is the problem with all the hypothetical situations. The problem is with the HD consoles you need to take into account who is buying these consoles in the first place. The majority of customers for the HD consoles are older customers who pay with their own money. When you pay with your hard earned money instead of having your parents buy it for you then you study your purchase a little harder. When someone sees that 75% of their friends have a 360 then they will buy a 360 to play with their friends, therefore making their purchase worthwhile. I will also bet GT5 will not be a system seller in the US. 360 has US wrapped up and as long as it does it will not fall behind the PS3. The numbers of consoles sold in the US are just too high and will stay ahead. It doesn't matter if PS3 catches up or even passes the 360 in other regions. If and when it does it won't be by much.