By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Nintendo - Sony makes RIDICULOUS comment

Carl on 06 October 2009
noname2200 said:
They took the risk that the market insisted on Blu-Ray now.

They took the risk that tilt controls would entice the populace.

They took the risk that the market is willing to support a purely DD handheld.

They took the risk that third-parties would continue to make exclusives for their system without extensive moneyhatting.

They took the risk that their first and second party studios could carry their systems single-handedly.

They took the risk of consumers getting a second job just to buy their system.

They took the risk that the rest of the corporation was willing to subsidize them even if they lost all the money they've assembled in the past decade.

They're about to take the risk that people will want to pay for and play with the Wand.

Nintendo, by contrast, does extensive research about almost every aspect of gaming and gamers before they commit to any move. This includes the DS and the Wii. They also take moves to minimize any harm that results if they read the market incorrectly.



No, I'd say he's being pretty accurate.

And this post is practically perfect.



                            

Around the Network
noname2200 on 06 October 2009
angrypoolman said:

Nintendo has done that for 13 years. And will continue to do it for the remainder of the Wii's lifetime.

True, but how many other companies have succeeded at that? They're literally the only one I can think of. Sega came close for a while, but even then their handheld went down quickly, and, well, they're third-party now.



Gnac on 06 October 2009
Carl2291 said:
Gnac said:
Carl2291 said:
Sony launched the PS3 at $600.

PS3 at the time took ~$800 to make.

Losing $200 per console is a pretty big risk...

Consequences are risks now? Nice spin. I'm sure Kutaragi got removed as SCE head for not being risky enough.

Not spin at all.

A definition of "Risk" for you people.

"The possibility of bringing about misfortune or loss"

Launching your console at $600, when it costs $800 to make... gives a huge possiblity of misfortune, and a 100% possiblity of loss

Big, big risk.

It would have been a bigger risk to sell it at or above cost, because even less people would be interested in it. They were forced to drop the price to make it more appealing.



WHERE IS MY KORORINPA 3

Serious_frusting on 06 October 2009

Well sony did bring the ps eye and eye toy



Nobody's perfect. I aint nobody!!!

Killzone 2. its not a fps. it a FIRST PERSON WAR SIMULATOR!!!! ..The true PLAYSTATION 3 launch date and market dominations is SEP 1st

angrypoolman on 06 October 2009
Carl2291 said:
Gnac said:
Carl2291 said:
Sony launched the PS3 at $600.

PS3 at the time took ~$800 to make.

Losing $200 per console is a pretty big risk...

Consequences are risks now? Nice spin. I'm sure Kutaragi got removed as SCE head for not being risky enough.

Not spin at all.

A definition of "Risk" for you people.

"The possibility of bringing about misfortune or loss"

Launching your console at $600, when it costs $800 to make... gives a huge possiblity of misfortune, and a 100% possiblity of loss

Big, big risk.

For Nintendo to make that risk would be suicide since gaming is all they have. Sony was able to sell consoles at a loss because they sell a shit ton of other stuff too.

It just goes to show you what Sony is willing to do to make profits. Not that profits shouldn't be sought after, but they are willing to risk losing their entire position in the gaming industry in order to make blu ray the new standard.

Basically the only types of risks that Sony makes are financial ones since it really wouldn't make a whole lot of difference to them if they were in the video game business or not. Aside from that, it is Nintendo that are the true innovators; the true pioneers of video games.



Wii code: 8578 3842 6416 3239

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=90465

Around the Network
.jayderyu on 06 October 2009

noname2200 said:
They took the risk that the market insisted on Blu-Ray now.

This was a move to duplicate the PS2 DVD push. It was an assumption with previous positive results.

 

They took the risk that tilt controls would entice the populace.

This was in reaction to the Wiiremote after their announcement. Not a personal initiate risk.

 

They took the risk that the market is willing to support a purely DD handheld.

Apple iPod is already proving to be very succeful. It's all about introduction.

 

They took the risk that third-parties would continue to make exclusives for their system without extensive moneyhatting.

This is a continuation of the PS2 populatiry.



They took the risk that their first and second party studios could carry their systems single-handedly.

DId anyone seriously think Sony wasn't going to get 3rd party at the begining. This is hindsight speaking.



They took the risk of consumers getting a second job just to buy their system.

Yeah that was a risking comment  :P



They took the risk that the rest of the corporation was willing to subsidize them even if they lost all the money they've assembled in the past decade.

This is pretty standard with business diversity.

 


They're about to take the risk that people will want to pay for and play with the Wand.

They are following Nintendo design of a "wand" like design which is proven sucesful. How is this a risk. It is, but from a design perspective of Sony Copying? it's not a risk it's copying.


Nintendo, by contrast, does extensive research about almost every aspect of gaming and gamers before they commit to any move. This includes the DS and the Wii. They also take moves to minimize any harm that results if they read the market incorrectly.

This is a good business practice. Why are we downplaying smart business?

No, I'd say he's being pretty accurate.

 

 

 



Squilliam: On Vgcharts its a commonly accepted practice to twist the bounds of plausibility in order to support your argument or agenda so I think its pretty cool that this gives me the precedent to say whatever I damn well please.

griffinA on 06 October 2009

I guess I'm going to have to disagree with some people here (big surprise) and say that Nintendo, this gen, has been more risky than Sony. Because Nintendo is ONLY a game company they can't simply rely on taking any type of loss to survive. Nor can they rely on other sections of their company to "bail out" any failures on their gaming ventures. Therefore, I could see the DS and Wii as bigger risks than the PSP go and PS3. At least if their products fail Sony can say "Oh well, at least our company can still make a lot of profit thanks to cameras!"



"Pier was a chef, a gifted and respected chef who made millions selling his dishes to the residents of New York City and Boston, he even had a famous jingle playing in those cities that everyone knew by heart. He also had a restaurant in Los Angeles, but not expecting LA to have such a massive population he only used his name on that restaurant and left it to his least capable and cheapest chefs. While his New York restaurant sold kobe beef for $100 and his Boston restaurant sold lobster for $50, his LA restaurant sold cheap hotdogs for $30. Initially these hot dogs sold fairly well because residents of los angeles were starving for good food and hoped that the famous name would denote a high quality, but most were disappointed with what they ate. Seeing the success of his cheap hot dogs in LA, Pier thought "why bother giving Los Angeles quality meats when I can oversell them on cheap hotdogs forever, and since I don't care about the product anyways, why bother advertising them? So Pier continued to only sell cheap hotdogs in LA and was surprised to see that they no longer sold. Pier's conclusion? Residents of Los Angeles don't like food."

"The so-called "hardcore" gamer is a marketing brainwashed, innovation shunting, self-righteous idiot who pays videogame makers far too much money than what is delivered."

Carl on 06 October 2009
Gnac said:
Carl2291 said:
Gnac said:
Carl2291 said:
Sony launched the PS3 at $600.

PS3 at the time took ~$800 to make.

Losing $200 per console is a pretty big risk...

Consequences are risks now? Nice spin. I'm sure Kutaragi got removed as SCE head for not being risky enough.

Not spin at all.

A definition of "Risk" for you people.

"The possibility of bringing about misfortune or loss"

Launching your console at $600, when it costs $800 to make... gives a huge possiblity of misfortune, and a 100% possiblity of loss

Big, big risk.

It would have been a bigger risk to sell it at or above cost, because even less people would be interested in it. They were forced to drop the price to make it more appealing.

It would have been a bigger risk to make profit for a short while? No... Just no.

Launching at $600 and losing a fuck load of money is a much bigger risk than launching at $250 and making money.



                            

angrypoolman on 06 October 2009
noname2200 said:
angrypoolman said:

Nintendo has done that for 13 years. And will continue to do it for the remainder of the Wii's lifetime.

True, but how many other companies have succeeded at that? They're literally the only one I can think of. Sega came close for a while, but even then their handheld went down quickly, and, well, they're third-party now.

Well if you think about it, not that many companies were successful at making a console.

Microsoft can't succeed without third party

Sony puts in an effort to develop video games, so they would have a better chance.

Nintendo/Sega were the best because they are the only true gaming companies to make a console (besides Atari).

Everything else is irrelevant.



Wii code: 8578 3842 6416 3239

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=90465

hsrob on 06 October 2009

Sony can afford to take risks and loss lead whereas Nintendo can't, gaming is their only business. Imagine where Nintendo would be this generation if the roles were reversed and the PS3 and PSP and their associated profits/osses were Nintendo's.

Nintendo does take risks, they are just of a different kind. It's only ridiculous in that he seems to be suggesting that the kind of risk Sony takes is absolutely the better position, something that I think is very much open for debate.