Microsoft have/had a policy for developers that stated that they couldn't have mandatory installs, just because of the Arcade. Just remember the whole NXE update issue where MS had to do a work around for those with just 256mb.

So the best way to go would've been to not require a mandatory install if you're developing exclusivly for a company that sports a console model with no HDD, like everyone else.

meh, if this was a PS3 game they'd most likely be a mandatory install anyways... no problem.

Well, then Turn 10 is in luck, the second disc is not a manditory install. It is an OPTIONAL install.

Anyway, nice touch, I own you in one thread so you suddenly start trying to stealth troll me in others that you had absolutely NO interest in visiting when the topics were fresh.

Okay its an Optional install, you win. Should we review it as such aswell? Since it would be a DLC that a good part of the userbase would never see out of the box?

"A good part of the user base"? You don't really believe that do you? Also, We already clarified that..

A. you can load portions of the disc onto your system memory, or a memory card

B. A used 20GB HD is around $20.00 and if it is really that important to play what is on the second disc, I suspect most people will spring for the used HD.

Lastly, you do not need an internet connection for the second disc, what you are suggesting is akin to saying people without an internet connection are screwed by game devs because they cannot download DLC.

Well, as a Pro user I won't have any sort of problem with it and i'm getting the game day one, but if I was an arcade owner, as a racing enthusiast, i would be really saddened by the fact that i couldn't drive on the Nurburgring, it's the most legendary track on par with Le Sarthe track, and to dispel something that was wrongly said in here, the nurb is still one of the most used tracks in the world, since most if not all the most important car brands use it as a test track and DTM, European GT championships and other competitions use it as well.

Don't get me wrong, I think it was a smart move by turn 10 and microsoft, in the business sense, but I have some personal friends, who are as well racing enthusiasts, in collegue who are Arcade users and were eager to get the game, and now we'll just play at my house because they can't afford to upgrade their system and don't want to pay full for half a game, and I think that some arcade users will feel the same.

I know that you can get a cheap HDD in e-Bay, but most people think that they shouldn't have to pay extra from what they have already payed for the console and they are entitled to those complaints.

Yes, but the question that beggs to be asked here is "did they pay for a hard drive when they bought the console?" I didn't think so. This means by buying a hard drive online, they are not buying something that should have come with the SKU they decided to purchase, they knew what their options were, they chose the Arcade. Also, one final note, the Nurburgring track is mainly used for several topuring car races, the rest is passenger/sports car tuning. Hardly a highly used track in terms of racing. Anyway, I suspect it's on that disc to entice people to LOAD THE FRICKING MAP ON THEIR MEMORY CARD!

@Ironman

Woah, why so uptight? I'm just stating something that i've seen as a 360 user. You know, people don't all have the money to afford different SKU's. My friends got an arcade, because that's the most that they could afford, they are 360 only users because it was the cheapest console on the market here in europe, which is normally the most expensive market on par with Australia.
Please, as a racing enthusiast, don't try to tell me the importance of the nurburgring, because in that aspect I probably know more than you do and I don't want to start an argument over it.

What I tried to say in my post is that people are entitled to their opinions and complaints in this particular matter, you give some valid points in your arguments, I concede to that, but other people have also given valid points as well.

I'm uptight because I HATE the entitlement mentality, like you didn't know what you were getting yourself into. I understand not everybody could afford anything other than the arcade, but it's extremely hipocritical to buy the model without the hard drive, then complain you didn;t get a hard drive with your console. I mean, think about it, if they could only afford the arcade model, but there was no arcade model because all 360s came with a HD and were therefore more expensive that the arcade, they would be sitting at home right now complaining that they don't have a 360.

Believe me, I know the history of the Nurburgring, It USED to be a widely used and renound racing track, but those days are OVER. Forza 3 does not focus on touring car races, so it actually makes sence that they put the track on the second disc.

Other people's opinions are based on the assumption that nobody knew they weren't getting a HD with their 360. Lemme ask you this, do you know ANYBODY with an arcade model, that took it home from the store, opened it up and was like "WTF MS didn't give me the harddrive I paid for!"

I wonder if they couldn't have split it GT2 style?

Anyway, what they've done is no biggie, certainly not game breaking imo

It's still the same racing game awesomeness, just that the ones who are able to install the full thing can have a bit more game for their investment until the others catch up

I don't see the problem with this, really.