Right... I'm the fanboy here... HAHAHAHAHA.  I don't see how the PSP has had any sort of success.  Sure it has sold more than any other second place hand held gaming device.  But when it's only direct competitor has more than doubled it's total sales, that's not a success or something to brag about.  If you want to keep making conditions and keep adding new variables to the equation to make the PSP look like it is doing better, go right ahead, but it really is pointless.

Comparing a handheld to a console is just plain stupid.  They have completely different purposes, completely different technology levels, and completely different pricing.  Sure by definition if the DS outsells the PS2 it will be labeled as the best selling console, but it will also have the words "HAND HELD" in that award.  No one ever directly compares home gaming consoles with portable handhelds in sales or otherwise.

The options for redisigning are limitless and simple to implement.  Lack of imagination is startling on these forums.  Just off the top of my head they could do any of the following:

To me a redesign would be very simple.  Add a slim/slot loading DVD drive, make it thinner and/or shorter, add better fans/fan to the heatsinks with better guided airflow regulators.  If they want to make it fully compatible with all old hard drives, they can either keep it the same width and just change the height/depth, or they can offer an adapter for the slim/redesign to use the old HDD and then use a newer HDD for all the new 360's.  Or they could even change the design so as the HDD can connect on the side in some fashion.  All they really would need is the 45nm die which should be ready by year end if not sooner.  The current ones already only use 150W so with the redisign the external power brick could be shrunk to be as small as the Wii's or a standard laptop AC cable.

I don't see the fad of Slim releases....if they do...they do, if they don't...they don't either way works for me, i already got my 360, lol.

50 million units sold isn't a success?

And going by your logic, when the Wii likely doubles the 360 numbers sometime next year, does that mean the 360 wont be a success for MS?

They don't have different purposes, they are all there to play videogames on. Handheld or not, it is still a console. And they dont have completely different pricing, as the PSP Go is proving.

Infact, does the PSP Go being more expensive than an entry level 360 mean that the 360 isnt a console anymore? By your logic, it seems that way.

don't waste your time. he won't listen.

the arcade bundle cost 200$ some of the bundle come with 2 and eve 5 games.

the psp with 1gb card and maybe one game it's 200$

TSMC has a 45nm process with all the kinks ironed out available right now, so that's a minimum.

Intel just started collecting the 32nm cpu's off the oven... considering everyone else is at least one year behind Intel and that in order to have a sizeable amount of natal 360's available for christmas... I'm betting on 45nm or a half node intermediate. 

You guys are a piece of work. Will do anything to make Sony look like it is doing ok. No one compares handhelds with home consoles. You both know this and are just being prudes.

The PSP Go is going to be the only time this generation an entry level handheld is going to cost more than a home console. My logic still applies to everything. It's not my fault Sony is retarded when it comes to pricing structures.

And how can you say they don't have different purposes? Sure they play games, but by that logic then the iPod, the Zune, cell phones, etc are all considered consoles too? I mean they play games, right? The DS and PSP are handhelds meant for PORTABLE use. The PS3, Wii, and 360 are meant for home use which is why they come with power supplies rather than batteries.

I'm not going to argue standards for success. There is no doubt that in comparison to the Wii, the 360 has not been a success for MS considering it even reached 10 million before the Wii did. The 360 overall is still a success, though, because it's purpose was to dethrone Sony, which worked perfectly. If the PSP was meant to dethrone Nintendo in the handheld market, it hasn't reached that goal.

Just as it seems you will do anything to make them look bad. Seriously... you think selling 50 million units isn't a success? Seriously?

And... does it cost more? Yes, It does. So dont try to worm around it.

And is an iPods main use a games machine? Is a Zune's? Is a phone's? No. They are all catered to a different market, with added bonuses like games, internet... etc. Just as a gaming device's central use is gaming, a phones central use is to... guess what? PHONE.

So now we are going to the purpose of the machine? Sure, they will have loved to be the top handheld machine... but to enter a market that has been dominated by one company since for as long as anyone can remember, and still hold about a third of the marketshare... isnt a success? And you are saying it ISNT a success because the DS has done so well?

@ the green. How do you know it was supposed to dethrone Nintendo? Maybe it was a stepping stone to get them into the market. We dont know. You are just making up reasons now for it to suit you... and it wont work.

^I'm only copying the same mantra of yourself and Xoj.

Also, the PSP Go isn't out yet, so I guess my logic still works YAY!

I came into this thread to combat Xoj's ignorance in the idea that MS could never make a reliable console redesign and of course we all know he has an extreme bias against MS. Since then it seems you all just want to take it even further off topic by debating what should be considered a success and whether or not sales of handhelds should be directly compared with home consoles.

You both know no one compares handheld sales with home consoles sales. End of story. You guys are just arguing for the sake of argument at this point.

I give up.

50 million units isn't successful.

You have shown your true colours in this topic... respect -1

You're right, I just don't like handheld gaming so to me selling half of the only other competitor is not a success. That's just my own viewpoint though, so don't take offense to it.