Oh ok. I mean you can shoehorn any game oto any platform. But if you try to play say... Mario 64 on a PC it's about as frustrating as Halo on a console.

Consoles. Seven reasons. Used market, First party highly expensive exclusives, technical barriers to entry, entrance price, convenience, glitches/incompatibility due to nonuniform hardware/software, and DRM.

Computer gaming can't, nor ever shall overcome those obstacles.

...and I'm fairly certain that if I did join this fight, even shio would have a hard time in this thread.

So I'ma try to keep my comments contained in this one post.

That's my opinion. No need to retort.

I may be misunderstanding you still, but I'd argue that for some games and genres (RTS being the most notable) the games ARE built around the PC hardware.

Granted, that's less common now that there are two consoles trying to be lite-PCs (and I don't mean that as an insult). And yeah, it's much less common now than it was pre-XBox.

For the record, I vote for PCs. They involve more headaches, yes, but to me mods give the PC a huge edge in terms of replay value.

I'll give you Diablo II- never played Neverwinter Nights, no. But as RPGs moved more towards 3D, I think the PC's lack of analog sticks began to become a problem. I just don't find it as natural to move the camera with a mouse or (ugh) a keyboard in a 3D game- I like FPS on PC because the reticle is attached to the cursor, I like RTS because you are looking at an overview, and analog sticks can't handle moving around like  mouse can, but I could never really manage to control a 3D action game like, say, Oblivion (call me crazy) with KB+M.

TBS is one of those genres that can go either way, really. Consoles have had some amazing TBS this gen alone- Civilization Revolution, Valkyria Chronicles...due to the slow pace, you don't need quick movement around the map. So analog sticks work fine.

And I disagree with "TPS being FPS for pussies". They are two completely different types of game. Gears wouldn't work as an FPS, Halo would fail as a TPS, as would Killzone 2, CoD4, etc.

Five hours on multiple discs, exactly. MGS4 was all on one disc. Altogether, the installs took maybe 25 minutes.

Now look at PS3 install sizes. MGS4, DMC4, RE5, BioShock are 5GB apiece. These are considered unreasonable large installs.

When was the last time a high-budget PC game had under a 5GB install?

You've obviously never played a FPS on a console before.  So whats so skillfull about point and clicking?

The fact that the target moves about 3 times faster, while you yourself also moves 3 times faster. What's so skillful about moving the reticule slowly over someone who is basically crawling across the screen?

As an aside, how many gaming PCs are capped at a measly 20GB?

Anyhow I'd suggest looking into a new PC, since even big PC games (like Medieval II, at 11 gigs) installed in just over five minutes for me, and my PC is only good, not great. Also, the "constant need for hardware upgrades" thing is a complete myth. I haven't changed a thing in my PC since the 8800 GT came out (that was around the start of the current console generation), and there's nothing on the horizon that's prompting me to upgrade anytime soon. Before that, I hadn't upgraded my PC in five years (i.e. another full console generation), and while I admit things got rough in the last year, I could still play damn near everything fairly well.

 Seriously dude? Seriously?

Are you freaking kidding me?! Just look at the HUNDREDS OF 3D RPGs ON PC! There is no problem whatsoever with 3D Rpgs on PC. Infact, the disparity between 3D RPgs on PC and on Consoles is even bigger than Shooter mechanics!

The Keyboard+Mouse enables fast combat with twitch and quick mechanics, plus it also allows a very speedy selection of dozens of spells in the middle of combat. Infact, it is one of the reasons why MMORPGs are so successful!

PC absolutely CRUSHES consoles when we're talking about RPGs!

PC allows for an increased micromanagement and faster response, so SRPGs and Strategy games can be much more flexible on PC. Just look at the difference between King's Bounty/Civ4 and Valkyria Chronicles/Civ Rev.

TPS and FPS aren't "completely different". In essence, the only thing that is different is the camera positioning. Ofcourse that little difference can have big consequences, because while First-person allows it to be more immersive and more aim-friendly, the Third-person view allows a greater perception of the field around the character (that's why it's better for RPGs which often use Area of Effect spells).

Hardly anyone owns a 20GB PS3. Sony cancelled it because it sold something like 1/10 of the sales of the 60GB. The 40GB is the smallest common PS3 hard drive, and I agree that it's a bit small. But a PS3 hard drive is easily upgradeable. And you don't need to upgrade anything else.

You say the 8800GT came out around 2006. How much did it cost? It's probably already been topped. How long before it becomes obsolete? I can tell you, it will be before 2016.

Just getting started on PC gaming is so expensive, and on top of that, you have to upgrade hardware every few years...it's just too much of a headache for me. I don't like KB+M controls for the majority of genres (if you do, good for you), I don't like tiny monitors or gaming hunched over in a chair, and yes, I can use a controller, and connect it to an HDTV, but then it's basically a console.

I'm happy enough with console gaming.