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Scoobes on 10 September 2009
selnor said:
Carl2291 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Carl2291 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Carl2291 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Carl2291 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
TRios_Zen said:
- Sony players bashing 360 lineup = check
- PC rules all = check
- PC is a console, so exclusivity on 360 is nil = check
- Arguments over "triple A" versus sales = check

Might be missing some anti-Nintendo talk, and the requisite rebuttals, but otherwise think we've covered all the bases here!

On topic, all personal opinion, exclusive or not my purchases for end of year are all 360 (Forza, ODST, L4Dead 2, Dragon Age Origins) save one (Uncharted 2, pending demo of multiplayer end of month). EVEN if I hadn't bought a 360 game this year (I have) that would still be a pretty good year for me.


PC is a platform...not a console buddy.

That still makes a game on PS3/PC or 360/PC a multiplat.


It may be on two different platforms, but it is a console exclusive.

No, its a PC exclusive.


The PC stands alone. It isn't a videogame console. You have to rig a PC to be optimal enough for the games you want. Out of the big three consoles, the Xbox 360 is the only console that has it. The PC is in its own world.

It's still a multiplatform PC exclusive.

Do you know how moronic this is? It is exclusive to both Multiplatform, but is truly exclusive to the 360 because other platforms in its form cannot attain it. PC stands on its own. Most PC games are exclusives, and since when have they ever counted for anything when it comes to consoles? Final Fantasy VII was a console exclusive to the PSX. Are you going to strip that game of exclusivity because you fail to notice that PC isn't a videogame console? The exclusivity truly belongs to both platforms. You are showing brute ignorance. Why don't you just go and argue with TV commercials and banners for the 360 for games like Left 4 Dead 2 tell you Xbox 360/PC exclusive. On consoles it is exclusive to the 360 and on the PC it is exclusive, since it has nothing to battle against. I am done with this.

FF7 was multiplat... is was also on PC.

A game that is on 2 platforms... is multiplat.

I can play say... Mass Effect 2, on 2 different platforms. Hence, it is multiplat.

I dont get how you can call a game a 360 console exclusive, but im not allowed to call a game a PC exclusive. Double standards?

@themanwithnoname. No, i just hate this entire console "exclusive" bullshit.

It's because the PC version doesn't affect the console version. And before you say, well my sale is lost because I'll buy on PC. That is honestly not the case generally. In fact look at the dismal PC sales of a game on both and it's very clear that maybe 2000 sales at the most would be lost for the 360 version being on PC also? Look at COD4. It was embarrasing for PC in sales.

Just thought I'd get in my 2 cents. If what you say is true then why would Microsoft bother saying and making Alan Wake completely exclusive for 360. Why haven't they brought out Halo 3, Gears of War 2 and Fable 2 out for PC? Why did they wait 6 months before they released Mass Effect on PC. This is especially important for PC centric markets. Saying the PC version doesn't affect the console version is bullshit if they're released at the sametime. Microsoft have recognised this, which is why these games are now true and complete exclusives.

You're also forgetting that if certain people can get a version on PC vs console... they'll pirate the PC version and get it for "free". This is the reason EA released Mirror's Edge on consoles before PC, even though it works a lot better with the precision of the mouse.

Finally, the FF7 case is a case of 'timed' exclusivity, which is why most feel it can be called exclusive, because for a significant amount of time (in which it had huge sales) it was. The same could be said of the Halo games. If they were released at the sametime, then arguably, they'd have had less sales on the console (especially in the case of Halo where FPS games are popular on PC). Oh, and MS get more money from console versions due to licensing fees. They get no money on the PC version unless they're the publisher.




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selnor on 10 September 2009
Scoobes said:
selnor said:
Carl2291 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Carl2291 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Carl2291 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Carl2291 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
TRios_Zen said:
- Sony players bashing 360 lineup = check
- PC rules all = check
- PC is a console, so exclusivity on 360 is nil = check
- Arguments over "triple A" versus sales = check

Might be missing some anti-Nintendo talk, and the requisite rebuttals, but otherwise think we've covered all the bases here!

On topic, all personal opinion, exclusive or not my purchases for end of year are all 360 (Forza, ODST, L4Dead 2, Dragon Age Origins) save one (Uncharted 2, pending demo of multiplayer end of month). EVEN if I hadn't bought a 360 game this year (I have) that would still be a pretty good year for me.


PC is a platform...not a console buddy.

That still makes a game on PS3/PC or 360/PC a multiplat.


It may be on two different platforms, but it is a console exclusive.

No, its a PC exclusive.


The PC stands alone. It isn't a videogame console. You have to rig a PC to be optimal enough for the games you want. Out of the big three consoles, the Xbox 360 is the only console that has it. The PC is in its own world.

It's still a multiplatform PC exclusive.

Do you know how moronic this is? It is exclusive to both Multiplatform, but is truly exclusive to the 360 because other platforms in its form cannot attain it. PC stands on its own. Most PC games are exclusives, and since when have they ever counted for anything when it comes to consoles? Final Fantasy VII was a console exclusive to the PSX. Are you going to strip that game of exclusivity because you fail to notice that PC isn't a videogame console? The exclusivity truly belongs to both platforms. You are showing brute ignorance. Why don't you just go and argue with TV commercials and banners for the 360 for games like Left 4 Dead 2 tell you Xbox 360/PC exclusive. On consoles it is exclusive to the 360 and on the PC it is exclusive, since it has nothing to battle against. I am done with this.

FF7 was multiplat... is was also on PC.

A game that is on 2 platforms... is multiplat.

I can play say... Mass Effect 2, on 2 different platforms. Hence, it is multiplat.

I dont get how you can call a game a 360 console exclusive, but im not allowed to call a game a PC exclusive. Double standards?

@themanwithnoname. No, i just hate this entire console "exclusive" bullshit.

It's because the PC version doesn't affect the console version. And before you say, well my sale is lost because I'll buy on PC. That is honestly not the case generally. In fact look at the dismal PC sales of a game on both and it's very clear that maybe 2000 sales at the most would be lost for the 360 version being on PC also? Look at COD4. It was embarrasing for PC in sales.

Just thought I'd get in my 2 cents. If what you say is true then why would Microsoft bother saying and making Alan Wake completely exclusive for 360. Why haven't they brought out Halo 3, Gears of War 2 and Fable 2 out for PC? Why did they wait 6 months before they released Mass Effect on PC. This is especially important for PC centric markets. Saying the PC version doesn't affect the console version is bullshit if they're released at the sametime. Microsoft have recognised this, which is why these games are now true and complete exclusives.

You're also forgetting that if certain people can get a version on PC vs console... they'll pirate the PC version and get it for "free". This is the reason EA released Mirror's Edge on consoles before PC, even though it works a lot better with the precision of the mouse.

Finally, the FF7 case is a case of 'timed' exclusivity, which is why most feel it can be called exclusive, because for a significant amount of time (in which it had huge sales) it was. The same could be said of the Halo games. If they were released at the sametime, then arguably, they'd have had less sales on the console (especially in the case of Halo where FPS games are popular on PC). Oh, and MS get more money from console versions due to licensing fees. They get no money on the PC version unless they're the publisher.

Dude seriously look at the sales. It tells all. They release it first on consoles mainly because thats where the sales come from. They put most effort to getting the console version done on time and then bring PC later. They see the same sales we do, so there is no way they release it later because of sales. LOL

Alan Wake went exclusive because M$ wanted Remedy to get the most out of the 360 game graphically. It must of worked to, because there are some graphics whores who dont believe the 360 is that strong for graphics calling certain screenshots PC screenshots. Even though it's confirmed as 360 screen. If you put all resources into a game for the major selling platform first, you will get better return.



rexwong on 10 September 2009

No more good XBOX exclusive game,
GTA also go to PS3.
Since the XBOX almost go RRoD,
this is time to buy PS3 for Uncharted 2 and waiting for FFV13



selnor on 10 September 2009
rexwong said:
No more good XBOX exclusive game,
GTA also go to PS3.
Since the XBOX almost go RRoD,
this is time to buy PS3 for Uncharted 2 and waiting for FFV13

LOL. You will last a long time onthis site.

You realise there is more than 10 games before 2010 ends that aren't on PS3 right? That are on 360.



S.T.A.G.E. on 10 September 2009

@ Scoobes

1. Alan Wake is being completely published by Microsoft, so they have a right to cut off the PC version. Usually the reason for doing this is because they want the game to be synonymous with the Xbox 360.

2. Gears of War 2, Halo 3 and Fable 2 are the same as follows with number one, either by Publishing, Epic Games own accord or by exclusivity contract. To block off a game from PC and have it exclusive is to be wholly exclusive. When it is Xbox 360/PC exclusive, it is a console exclusive and not wholly exclusive.

3. Of course PC versions affect the sales of the 360. It isn't much of an effect but still one nonetheless. Microsoft profits off of the software anyway, no matter which platform you get it for. If they withdraw the game from PC could also be that the platform is not getting the proper sales to be supported.

4. Final Fantasy VII was a console/PC exclusive. As I said before, it wasn't wholly exclusive.

5. The reason Microsoft tends to have Xbox 360/PC exclusive (Like Mass Effect 2) is because they tend to acquire the services of PC devs more than Sony (because Microsoft before they entered the console arena used to work with and publish PC games). The devs in turn make games with the 360 in mind instead of the PC. Valve is the same. Microsoft has been publishing PC games since the 80's. When they make a game sometimes the game is wholly exclusive and sometimes it is a console/ PC exclusive.



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Scoobes on 10 September 2009
selnor said:
Scoobes said:
selnor said:

It's because the PC version doesn't affect the console version. And before you say, well my sale is lost because I'll buy on PC. That is honestly not the case generally. In fact look at the dismal PC sales of a game on both and it's very clear that maybe 2000 sales at the most would be lost for the 360 version being on PC also? Look at COD4. It was embarrasing for PC in sales.

Just thought I'd get in my 2 cents. If what you say is true then why would Microsoft bother saying and making Alan Wake completely exclusive for 360. Why haven't they brought out Halo 3, Gears of War 2 and Fable 2 out for PC? Why did they wait 6 months before they released Mass Effect on PC. This is especially important for PC centric markets. Saying the PC version doesn't affect the console version is bullshit if they're released at the sametime. Microsoft have recognised this, which is why these games are now true and complete exclusives.

You're also forgetting that if certain people can get a version on PC vs console... they'll pirate the PC version and get it for "free". This is the reason EA released Mirror's Edge on consoles before PC, even though it works a lot better with the precision of the mouse.

Finally, the FF7 case is a case of 'timed' exclusivity, which is why most feel it can be called exclusive, because for a significant amount of time (in which it had huge sales) it was. The same could be said of the Halo games. If they were released at the sametime, then arguably, they'd have had less sales on the console (especially in the case of Halo where FPS games are popular on PC). Oh, and MS get more money from console versions due to licensing fees. They get no money on the PC version unless they're the publisher.

Dude seriously look at the sales. It tells all. They release it first on consoles mainly because thats where the sales come from. They put most effort to getting the console version done on time and then bring PC later. They see the same sales we do, so there is no way they release it later because of sales. LOL

Alan Wake went exclusive because M$ wanted Remedy to get the most out of the 360 game graphically. It must of worked to, because there are some graphics whores who dont believe the 360 is that strong for graphics calling certain screenshots PC screenshots. Even though it's confirmed as 360 screen. If you put all resources into a game for the major selling platform first, you will get better return.

Mate, I didn't say they're not releasing a title on console and PC at the sametime down to JUST sales, but due to the sales AND piracy. A lot of pirates, if a game is available for PC on torrent websites vs console (where they have to pay money), are going to get it on PC via torrent for FREE. This will eat into sales of both the PC and console versions. Also, don't gorget MS is trying to make gains in Europe where Sony are relatively strong. There are a lot of PC centric markets based in Europe where MS would suffer if they brought out a PC version.

If you want to believe that MS decided to scrap the PC version of Alan Wake for graphics then fine. Personally I still think its down to pushing the 360 as a console with full exclusive titles. Especially when PC and 360 are so similar in architecture that they probably were already getting a great deal out of the 360. Also, that still doesn't explain why they haven't the piss easy job of porting Halo 3, Gears 2 and Fable 2 to the PC yet. Its because they're trying to push the 360 as a console with fully exclusive games... not just "console" exclusives.




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Scoobes on 10 September 2009
S.T.A.G.E. said:

@ Scoobes

1. Alan Wake is being completely published by Microsoft, so they have a right to cut off the PC version. Usually the reason for doing this is because they want the game to be synonymous with the Xbox 360.

2. Gears of War 2, Halo 3 and Fable 2 are the same as follows with number one, either by Publishing, Epic Games own accord or by exclusivity contract. To block off a game from PC and have it exclusive is to be wholly exclusive. When it is Xbox 360/PC exclusive, it is a console exclusive and not wholly exclusive.

3. Of course PC versions affect the sales of the 360. It isn't much of an effect but still one nonetheless. Microsoft profits off of the software anyway, no matter which platform you get it for. If they withdraw the game from PC could also be that the platform is not getting the proper sales to be supported.

4. Final Fantasy VII was a console/PC exclusive. As I said before, it wasn't wholly exclusive.

5. The reason Microsoft tends to have Xbox 360/PC exclusive (Like Mass Effect 2) is because they tend to acquire the services of PC devs more than Sony (because Microsoft before they entered the console arena used to work with and publish PC games). The devs in turn make games with the 360 in mind instead of the PC. Valve is the same. Microsoft has been publishing PC games since the 80's. When they make a game sometimes the game is wholly exclusive and sometimes it is a console/ PC exclusive.

1-2: Yes, that was my point, these games help to define the X-box and 360 console/brand.

3: Yes, it does (PC sales/piracy affects 360 sales), again, my point reiterated. However, on 360, MS get money from all games sold on the console. On PC, MS only get money from games they themselves publish, not third-party titles even if they use Windows. If they publish a game that is fully exclusive for the 360 they get money as both the publisher and the platform holder increasing the money they get per unit sale. On top of this, they can push another complete exclusive for the 360.

4: Yes, but in terms of perception, Final Fantasy VII has been synonymous with Playstation. Whilst what you say is true, because it was also a timed exclusive (PC version very late), many people seem to forget that FFVII isn't a complete exclusive.

5: Yes, true. I get the feeling MS is also trying to distance itself away from the old X-box sterotype as being a PC with crap controls by having full exclusives. It is these full exclusives that truly help define the console, especially in the PC heavy markets found in Europe.  Due to the X-box division, they have slowly but surely dropped support for the PC. They've gotten rid of many PC exclusive developers such as Ensemble, Big Huge Games and the Flight Sim devs, and Games for Windows Live is a poor shell of the 360 equivalent and completely trounced by superior offerings such as Steam. Also, I think Valve are slightly different as they only make console games if the porting process is very easy (hence why they never port for PS3 as the architecture is too different and would take too long to port).




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shio on 10 September 2009
selnor said:

It's because the PC version doesn't affect the console version. And before you say, well my sale is lost because I'll buy on PC. That is honestly not the case generally. In fact look at the dismal PC sales of a game on both and it's very clear that maybe 2000 sales at the most would be lost for the 360 version being on PC also? Look at COD4. It was embarrasing for PC in sales.

What dismal PC sales? PC game sales have been increasing well, even now in the middle of a recession, where Steam is growing around 100% while consoles game sales are declining.

Some people believe the PC version of COD4 will reach around 10 millions lifetime (including myself), and there's a guy in the forum that claims he saw an interview for a foreign mag where an Activision dude said the PC version sold over 8 millions a few months ago. COD4 is still selling well, and was in Steam's Weekly Top 10 Sellers a couple of weeks ago.

S.T.A.G.E. said:

He doesn't realize that he's arguing for nothing. He's basically telling the world and Microsoft themselves that they are wrong as long as it fits his view that he cannot make sense out of. It is both a multiplatform and a console exclusive. He's putting PC and consoles into one basket when the PC form is separate from consoles. Consoles are dealt with amongst themselves. Regardless of what he thinks, Microsoft still makes exclusive profit off of both forms. Sony doesn't profit off of it and neither does Nintendo. Sony owners nor Nintendo owners can play it, so as consoles stand it is exclusive. The dumbest and most  ignorant thing anyone could ever say about Final Fantasy VII is that it wasn't a console exclusive to the PSX. He ignores the term console exclusive.

Consoles and PC affect each other's sales more than you think. Especially considering the fact that consoles have never been so close to PC gaming than before, and Xbox 360 is much closer to a PC than to the Wii.

Hell, even Microsoft believes and admits that PC can affect greatly console sales. Their actions definitely support that, and even an MS European exec said that if they had released Halo 1 at the same time on Xbox and PC in Germany, 80% of the sales would've gone to PC.

selnor said:

Dude seriously look at the sales. It tells all. They release it first on consoles mainly because thats where the sales come from. They put most effort to getting the console version done on time and then bring PC later. They see the same sales we do, so there is no way they release it later because of sales. LOL

Alan Wake went exclusive because M$ wanted Remedy to get the most out of the 360 game graphically. It must of worked to, because there are some graphics whores who dont believe the 360 is that strong for graphics calling certain screenshots PC screenshots. Even though it's confirmed as 360 screen. If you put all resources into a game for the major selling platform first, you will get better return.

Maybe you should think a little. Why do you think some people release the console versions before the PC versions? It's not really that hard to understand.

S.T.A.G.E. said:

@ Scoobes

1. Alan Wake is being completely published by Microsoft, so they have a right to cut off the PC version. Usually the reason for doing this is because they want the game to be synonymous with the Xbox 360.

2. Gears of War 2, Halo 3 and Fable 2 are the same as follows with number one, either by Publishing, Epic Games own accord or by exclusivity contract. To block off a game from PC and have it exclusive is to be wholly exclusive. When it is Xbox 360/PC exclusive, it is a console exclusive and not wholly exclusive.

3. Of course PC versions affect the sales of the 360. It isn't much of an effect but still one nonetheless. Microsoft profits off of the software anyway, no matter which platform you get it for. If they withdraw the game from PC could also be that the platform is not getting the proper sales to be supported.

4. Final Fantasy VII was a console/PC exclusive. As I said before, it wasn't wholly exclusive.

5. The reason Microsoft tends to have Xbox 360/PC exclusive (Like Mass Effect 2) is because they tend to acquire the services of PC devs more than Sony (because Microsoft before they entered the console arena used to work with and publish PC games). The devs in turn make games with the 360 in mind instead of the PC. Valve is the same. Microsoft has been publishing PC games since the 80's. When they make a game sometimes the game is wholly exclusive and sometimes it is a console/ PC exclusive.

1. "to be synonymous with the Xbox 360" is such a terrible excuse. Companies only care about profit, and this "synonymity" you speak of is about getting the most profit, because they believe that PC would've taken away a good chunk of the sales.

2. Do you want to know how stupid the "console exclusive" term is?
A PC exclusive means that it is exclusive to PCs.
A Xbox 360 exclusive means that it is exclusive to Xbox 360s.
A Console exclusive means that it is exclusive to Consoles!! That means that it is not coming to PC.
You can't use "console exclusive" to coin a PC/X360 game, or any game that is shared with the PC.
Halo 3 is console exclusive because it's not coming to PC, while Mass Effect is on PC and is not exclusive to consoles, capiche? This crap bothered me almost as much as the idiots that believed the turn of the century was in 1999->2k.

3. So you fully admit PC sales affect console sales.

4. FFVII isn't exclusive at all.

5. The reason there's PC/360 games is because there's money to be made on PC, even if they're late releases of consolized games.



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Carl on 10 September 2009
selnor said:
Carl2291 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Carl2291 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Carl2291 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

It may be on two different platforms, but it is a console exclusive.

No, its a PC exclusive.


The PC stands alone. It isn't a videogame console. You have to rig a PC to be optimal enough for the games you want. Out of the big three consoles, the Xbox 360 is the only console that has it. The PC is in its own world.

It's still a multiplatform PC exclusive.

Do you know how moronic this is? It is exclusive to both Multiplatform, but is truly exclusive to the 360 because other platforms in its form cannot attain it. PC stands on its own. Most PC games are exclusives, and since when have they ever counted for anything when it comes to consoles? Final Fantasy VII was a console exclusive to the PSX. Are you going to strip that game of exclusivity because you fail to notice that PC isn't a videogame console? The exclusivity truly belongs to both platforms. You are showing brute ignorance. Why don't you just go and argue with TV commercials and banners for the 360 for games like Left 4 Dead 2 tell you Xbox 360/PC exclusive. On consoles it is exclusive to the 360 and on the PC it is exclusive, since it has nothing to battle against. I am done with this.

FF7 was multiplat... is was also on PC.

A game that is on 2 platforms... is multiplat.

I can play say... Mass Effect 2, on 2 different platforms. Hence, it is multiplat.

I dont get how you can call a game a 360 console exclusive, but im not allowed to call a game a PC exclusive. Double standards?

@themanwithnoname. No, i just hate this entire console "exclusive" bullshit.

It's because the PC version doesn't affect the console version. And before you say, well my sale is lost because I'll buy on PC. That is honestly not the case generally. In fact look at the dismal PC sales of a game on both and it's very clear that maybe 2000 sales at the most would be lost for the 360 version being on PC also? Look at COD4. It was embarrasing for PC in sales.

Yes, yes it does affect the console version. If it is being sold for a different platform, it will affect any other version.

Stop defending his pathetic arguement. Any game that is on 2 or more platforms is a multiplat. And if he can call a game a console "exclusive" i can call it a PC exclusive.



                            

uber on 10 September 2009

i think it's so funny since the op mentions the fact that he plays more games on the ps3 people are turning this into a vs discussion. fanboys never take a day off i suppose. but i agree with the op. i think a rts and star ocean are a little light for big gun exclusives this year.



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