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Avinash_Tyagi on 30 August 2009
ssj12 said:
I hate the entire idea of used games. It takes revenue away from developers and publishers.


No it doesn't, they didn't earn that revenue or sales, if the game was worthy of those revenues people would only buy new, not used, because there would be no used copies of the games



 

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silicon on 30 August 2009
Smashchu2 said:
Slimebeast said:
Smashchu2 said:

I now hate David Jaffe and wish him to die after reading this. Mr. Jaffe got into an argument with a fan of his games becuase the customer didn't agree with disgital distarabution future and that he supports used games. GASP. How does he. The conversation makes me both sad and angry. I hate how the "Game Industry" hates used games because they beleive it hurts their profits (it doesn't as the customer proves it) and want them either gone or for them to get a profit. Look, we get credit back if we don't like the game. It's good for us consumers who buy your junk in the first place. Why do we need to suffer for you?

Here is the blog post about it.


That blogger was very disrespectful towards developer David Jaffe. You should hate him instead of David.

Oh really?

Les: @djaffe What you say is a possibility. If it comes to pass then I may stop being a game consumer.

Les: If enough others do the same then Devs still lose.

Jaffe: if the main reason you game is to own a cd, then you prob should stop gaming, yes?

Jaffe claims to be cuistomer focused, but how can he when he says stuff like this. A customer tells him, to his face, that he doesn't want digital distrubution and will not buy games if it happens. Instead of seeing this as "Wait, customers don't what that. I better rethink this," he tells him to go away. Why am I made at him? This.


That and the rest of the blog post is disrespectful to Jaffe.


I think some people think to highly of themselves. He's implying he represents the opinion of consumers and that Jaffe's conversation with him refers to Jaffe's opinion of all the consumers... but it's like saying an actor hates all his fans when they freaks out at a papaarattzi.



Words Of Wisdom on 30 August 2009
ssj12 said:
I hate the entire idea of used games. It takes revenue away from developers and publishers.

And gives it to people who contribute nothing to the product.



MontanaHatchet on 30 August 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
ssj12 said:
I hate the entire idea of used games. It takes revenue away from developers and publishers.


No it doesn't, they didn't earn that revenue or sales, if the game was worthy of those revenues people would only buy new, not used, because there would be no used copies of the games

Not great logic. Let me give you an example. I remember reading an old news story where a man returned his copy of Final Fantasy 7, not because it was a bad game, but because he didn't know he'd have to do any reading. People could return games for all other sorts of reasons. Maybe they got suckered into the hype and just didn't like the game or its genre. Regardless of the reason, the developers shouldn't be punished for consumers.



 

 

dbot on 30 August 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
ssj12 said:
I hate the entire idea of used games. It takes revenue away from developers and publishers.


No it doesn't, they didn't earn that revenue or sales, if the game was worthy of those revenues people would only buy new, not used, because there would be no used copies of the games

Actually it does.  The publishers have the biggest problem with the newer releases that sell used at Gamestop for $5 off the new copy.  These sales clearly undercut the sales that actually benefit the publisher/developer.  This is also extremely short-sighted of Gamestop because the publishers will find a way to end this.  Unfortunately the protections that are added will not be consumer friendly.



Thanks for the input, Jeff.

 

 

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Avinash_Tyagi on 30 August 2009
MontanaHatchet said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
ssj12 said:
I hate the entire idea of used games. It takes revenue away from developers and publishers.


No it doesn't, they didn't earn that revenue or sales, if the game was worthy of those revenues people would only buy new, not used, because there would be no used copies of the games

Not great logic. Let me give you an example. I remember reading an old news story where a man returned his copy of Final Fantasy 7, not because it was a bad game, but because he didn't know he'd have to do any reading. People could return games for all other sorts of reasons. Maybe they got suckered into the hype and just didn't like the game or its genre. Regardless of the reason, the developers shouldn't be punished for consumers.


Actually they should, the fact that the consumer got suckered, or felt that the game had too much text, or whatever proves that the consumer was not satisfied with their experience, as a result the publisher hasn't earned any further revenue on the game

 

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Avinash_Tyagi on 30 August 2009
dbot said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
ssj12 said:
I hate the entire idea of used games. It takes revenue away from developers and publishers.


No it doesn't, they didn't earn that revenue or sales, if the game was worthy of those revenues people would only buy new, not used, because there would be no used copies of the games

Actually it does.  The publishers have the biggest problem with the newer releases that sell used at Gamestop for $5 off the new copy.  These sales clearly undercut the sales that actually benefit the publisher/developer.  This is also extremely short-sighted of Gamestop because the publishers will find a way to end this.  Unfortunately the protections that are added will not be consumer friendly.


No, that'll just lead to more piracy or an industry crash, forcing things on paying consumers will just result in fewer paying consumers.

 



 

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MontanaHatchet on 30 August 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
ssj12 said:
I hate the entire idea of used games. It takes revenue away from developers and publishers.


No it doesn't, they didn't earn that revenue or sales, if the game was worthy of those revenues people would only buy new, not used, because there would be no used copies of the games

Not great logic. Let me give you an example. I remember reading an old news story where a man returned his copy of Final Fantasy 7, not because it was a bad game, but because he didn't know he'd have to do any reading. People could return games for all other sorts of reasons. Maybe they got suckered into the hype and just didn't like the game or its genre. Regardless of the reason, the developers shouldn't be punished for consumers.

Actually they should, the fact that the consumer got suckered, or felt that the game had too much text, or whatever proves that the consumer was not satisfied with their experience, as a result the publisher hasn't earned any further revenue on the game

Yeah, but how is that the developer's fault? The developer shouldn't be punished if someone dislikes a game for a stupid reason. And you were arguing that a game isn't "worthy" of the money, but I'm explaining how the game can be very good but still be returned.



 

 

ssj12 on 30 August 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
ssj12 said:
I hate the entire idea of used games. It takes revenue away from developers and publishers.


No it doesn't, they didn't earn that revenue or sales, if the game was worthy of those revenues people would only buy new, not used, because there would be no used copies of the games

Not great logic. Let me give you an example. I remember reading an old news story where a man returned his copy of Final Fantasy 7, not because it was a bad game, but because he didn't know he'd have to do any reading. People could return games for all other sorts of reasons. Maybe they got suckered into the hype and just didn't like the game or its genre. Regardless of the reason, the developers shouldn't be punished for consumers.

Actually they should, the fact that the consumer got suckered, or felt that the game had too much text, or whatever proves that the consumer was not satisfied with their experience, as a result the publisher hasn't earned any further revenue on the game

So basically used games = piracy for publishers. If a customer doesn't like a game, they can return it, take money away from the publisher, then the store can resell it used and not give the publosher money from the used game sale all because a customer was stupid and dint research their purchase before hand. I guess I am starting to believe my college textbooks that consumers = idiots.



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Avinash_Tyagi on 30 August 2009
MontanaHatchet said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
ssj12 said:
I hate the entire idea of used games. It takes revenue away from developers and publishers.


No it doesn't, they didn't earn that revenue or sales, if the game was worthy of those revenues people would only buy new, not used, because there would be no used copies of the games

Not great logic. Let me give you an example. I remember reading an old news story where a man returned his copy of Final Fantasy 7, not because it was a bad game, but because he didn't know he'd have to do any reading. People could return games for all other sorts of reasons. Maybe they got suckered into the hype and just didn't like the game or its genre. Regardless of the reason, the developers shouldn't be punished for consumers.

Actually they should, the fact that the consumer got suckered, or felt that the game had too much text, or whatever proves that the consumer was not satisfied with their experience, as a result the publisher hasn't earned any further revenue on the game

Yeah, but how is that the developer's fault? The developer shouldn't be punished if someone dislikes a game for a stupid reason. And you were arguing that a game isn't "worthy" of the money, but I'm explaining how the game can be very good but still be returned.


Because for the consumer who returned the game it wasn't good, see quality is subjective, you may like modern god shock 5: Snakes vengeance, may think its the greatest game ever and GOTY, but another person may think its utter garbage, you may keep the game, but the other person will sell it, showing that for them it was not a good game, why should the dev et extra money for failing a consumer.  That's like a CEO getting a golden parachute after they drive their company to bankruptcy, you don't reward failure.



 

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