nice excuse, even if Forza 2 damage system is not perfect it makes the overall experience more realistic it changes the way you drive your car and the way you race they way you know, IT SHOULD BE IN REAL LIFE - it suppose to be a real driving simulator. you get punished for racing like a maniac in Forza. you get penalty for hitting other cars etc. in GT you can simply bump your way through whole track - that's so realistic isn't it. if Turn 10 could made a whole new game, engine, acquire licences for damage and rollover in 2 years with 400cars with smaller team and budget then how come PD couldn't do it since they announced damage for Prologue before it was even released?

Gran Turismo 5 will be released months after Forza 3 and it still will be inferior to Forza 2 if PD will reconfirm rest of their statements the same way - Yamauchi already confirmed that there will be less than 1000 cars.

What the fuck are you talking about (Sorry)? So you're saying that GT5 doesn't have damage because PD wouldn't pony up the cash for it? Firstly, PD can do whatever the fuck they want and car companies can't do shit about it because they are PD. If they wouldn't allow PD to support damage in their game then PD would just remove their cars from the game and they would lose brand exposure to more than 50 million people worldwide (estimated).

WORNG.50m is total sales figure of all GT games.Most of the people buying every installment of it.So at max GT has a fanbase of 15-20m.

Secondly, GT as a franchise sells over 10 million copies with every installment. I'm pretty sure that the reason that most cars don't have damage in GT5 isn't that they are short on cash. It is because they didn't want to spend the majority of their time modeling damage on over 1000 cars.

I never said that they were short on cash.There is no way in hell,they would just spoil one of the costliest game projects by stop funding it after they have already spent alot of time and a gazillion dollars on it.

Edit: I also never stated that companies have to pay for crash damage. When I addressed it I was talking from a theoretical point of view. I meant to say that IF they had to pay to have crash damage in their game, then they would have, just like Turn 10.

You never understood my post.I never meant to criticize PD or the GT franchise.I love GT games.But you just wanted to mock off all i said.

Car manufacturers Conflict

Clueless, but your self-confidence is hilarious. 

@Bobo012893

please give it a rest mate. Solidsnake is right on this one.

Made me laugh.

Since when a game's good and bad is based on the damage models?

Don't talk about real life damage. In real life you are dead in a 200mph collision.
But you don't die in a game with a 200mph crash. It's not simulating isn't it?

Turn10 did not model the cars themselves. They out-sourced the vehicles modeling to 3rd party aka Rabcat Studio ( http://www.rabcat.com ).
I don't know how many employees does Turn10 have but I bet it's bigger than PD with it combined with the out-sourced companies working together.

PD does everything in-house. Not saying out-sourcing is bad but there are way more people working on F3 than you think.

You don't have any proofs of the budget for both titles so stop talking crap out of your ass.

Sounds like you haven't played much GT. Bumping your way through the whole track won't get you anywhere.
FYI, you also get penalties for hitting other cars and taking short cuts on the track. Get your fact straight before your mindless bashing.
I guess it's time to start to learn how to drive on a track properly instead of abusing the game mechanic.

You know there's a driving line option for reckless drivers like you?
I bet you're going to crash on to the wall all day long in F3 without the auto braking.

Splitting the cars into damage/non-damage classes has a big problem... which of them are going to be played online? Surely you can't have some people getting damage and others not getting it.

Seems to me like it would be better to eliminate damage completely if they can't have it on all the cars.

Most likely the cars will be separated into classes.
Probably the race cars, WRC, Nascars will get damage.

I don't think we have enough information on this to cause this level of speculation.  Can we wait until the game releases, or at least the official feature list is published before we worry about this?

I don't even own a X360, nor do I care about Forza one bit, but I'll still say it will be a disapointment if GT doesn't have damage. My F1 game for the N64 had damage and was a great racing game. It allowed you to lose your wheels, spoilers, and engine, which prevents you from cheating and half cutting across the grass.

Instead of being a GT fanboy and saying "previous ones didn't have it, so who cares" why not be a realist and realize pretty much every other race simulator has damage and GT should too.

Oh, and if you slam head-on into a wall at 200MPH, then your car should be totaled and you should be out of the race, seems rather simple to me. They don't need to show a crumple animation like in burnout, but they can just kill the car and say you lose for being a horrible driver.