I thought simulation was reversing time and trying the corner again if you mess it up first time.

I will spend 99% of my time on the SP mode or 2 player arcade mode, so damage doesn't matter that much to me, as I don't intend to crash. But the graphics... OMG!!! Best graphics ever!

Play Richard Burns Rally. You can get unconscious with some "luck". That's at least something isn't it ?

Sigh, yet another GT5 thread that turned into a fistful of GT bashing and some GT vs Forza comparison. We already know that console racing games don't even come close to the actual simulation physics that PC racing games have accomplished. Even the damage and racing physics that Forza 3 and GT 5 have shown thus far don't even come close to the kind i've been playing since Grand Prix 2 days, and that was way back in 1995.

The point is that GT, throught all it's iterations, has been the only console racing game that has offered the best driving experiencie thus far, and I can say that confidently because i've played the majority of console racing sims. Some games handle one specific part of racing simulation better than GT does, there's no denying that, but in the grand picture of things, GT has been the best to bring out almost all features to console racing simulation to the table.

Maybe when both GT 5 and Forza 3 are released, we can do a better comparison of what they will actually bring out, but right now, it really is annoying to see people trying to downplay both games, because, in the worst case scenario, each of those games will be one of the best games of the year, and let us leave it at that for the moment.

They built the game for no damage, and now they're having to add it it. I guess they never realized how important it was. It's hard to make it mesh retroactively with so many cars, so...they might have to delay the game to get it right, or just release it as is, which would be disappointing. Let's hope they get this part right.

The thing is that even carmageddon 2 did it better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk7DLCLhTDs

Fully deforming cars, you got it. Cars splitting half in very powerful crashes, you got it. Flying deformed splinters & stuff flying around when crashing, you got it.

Whats my point always, Pinky... trying to say that consoles simplify games! :D

(Btw, did you watch the video? :) )

Then again, Carmageddon 2 was not exactly a praised technical achievement as far as textures and graphics technology goes and had a lot less cars (a whole lot, 1000 vs 25-30?) that handled in a seriously unrealistic setting in a most unrealistic way (like driving soap on a mirror). The whole concept was simpler and more base and was meant as a kind of car mash up game, kind of like Twisted Metal. Comparing Carmageddon 2 to Gran Turismo 5 is... strange at best.

Basically, they could add anything and everything in Carmageddon 2 and people would still take it for what it was (a humorous smash and grind game that I have myself spent countless hours on) and have fun playing it while Polyphony are trying to make a huge and broad, realistic racer with customization options and "hardcore" appeal and those two are miles apart whichever way one looks at it. The only thing they have in common is that they both have cars and surfaces upon which the cars are driving (allthough in Carma games you spend half your time flying about in Lunar gravity or Pinball mode... ).