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Kantor said:
Is this a serious question?

Final Fantasy outsold DQ by a large amount when it was on ONE platform. On TWO...

That logic doesn't always work and this generation things can be all over the place you should know that by now.



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Kantor said:
sc94597 said:
Kantor said:
sc94597 said:
outlawauron said:
gansito said:
DQ 9 will outesell them both.

It should outsell DQX, but it certainly will not outsell Final Fantasy XIII. Final Fantasy will be the highest selling JRPG this generation. FFXIV is a MMO and Versus is an exclusive. Both equal lower sales.

Best selling JRPG that isn't pokemon. I say DQIX has a chance though. But it is unlikely.

How is Pokemon a JRPG in any way, shape or form? It's about as much a JRPG as The Legend of Zelda.

This is the funniest thing I've read in a while. Please go ahead and explain to me how it is NOT an JRPG?

Here are some reasons why it is a JRPG:

Stats/Level System for a Party.

Turn Based battles that use a strategy such as items, and status effects.

Store system almost identical to that found in other Jrpgs. You buy a set number of items and upgrades, you can sell items and upgrades at a cheaper price than what you buy them for.

Slight Adventuring aspects. Most RPGs have them, even Jrpgs. Jrpgs mostly only have slight adventuring and nothing too exciting. Pokemon can be described as such.

Oh and btw, I am doubting your Legend of Zelda comparison. To be honest some games in the Zelda series, such as Zelda II can be labeled as Jrpgs. So here I ask, if pokemon isn't a Jrpg what is it? Almost everybody who has played a pokemon game and those who haven't know it is a Jrpg.

Why it is not a JRPG:

1) You capture little beasts and they do the combat for you.

2) It's not story focused at all.

3) It is aimed at children

4) While a JRPG story usually involves a grand adventure, Pokemon's story involves a teenager trapping small animals inside miniature prisons and forcing them to fight until they fall unconscious.

I suppose I exaggerated a little. It certainly is an RPG, and it's Japanese. It shares some traits with JRPGs, but I wouldn't consider it a JRPG. It just doesn't take itself seriously enough. I suppose when I think "JRPG" I think something like Final Fantasy, so Pokemon would be a very different kind of JRPG.

It's still awesome, though

Dragon Quest Monsters is still an RPG and it focuses on 'monster collecting'.  And how in the hell is a game not a JRPG because it is aimed at kids and doesn't have a 'deep' storyline?  Your post seems to be leaning towards the view that all JRPGs have to be like Final Fantasy/Tales of Vesperia to be 'JRPGs'.  May I point you to games like Paper Mario, Chrono Trigger and of course, the entire Dragon Quest series.



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MaxwellGT2000 said:
Kantor said:
Is this a serious question?

Final Fantasy outsold DQ by a large amount when it was on ONE platform. On TWO...

That logic doesn't always work and this generation things can be all over the place you should know that by now.

Logic dictates that a multiplat game would outsell an exclusive game (GTA IV and CoD4 have, with all versions combined, outsold Halo 3, Super Mario Galaxy, etc.), and Final Fantasy has always been a larger seires than Dragon Quest. Dragon Quest was never a massive seller in the West, it sold in Japan, which is a smaller market now than ever before. The PS2 sold 22 million in Japan, the Wii will be lucky to see 15 million, and because hyped games in Japan are usually frontloaded, that won't really be relevant.

DQ10 will sell more in Japan than Final Fantasy XIII, because the series has always done so, and it has a far larger userbase to sell to. However, in America, 360 games sell extremely well, and FF13 is very popular over there. There is also the PS3 version, which will sell less in America, but still a fair bit. Europe is the series' smallest market, but the PS3 and 360 are both popular in Europe.

I would say it's possible for the PS3 version of FF13 alone to outsell DQ10, but that isn't overly likely. Combined with the 360 version's sales, however, it's almost a certainty. DQ8 sold around 5 million WW, the large majority (3.68 million) of which was in Japan. Final Fantasy XII sold 5.1 million, after being the third Final Fantasy of the generation, with just 2.42 million in Japan. 1.82 million sales were in NA where, as I mentioned, the 360 is huge, and NA + EU are far larger markets than Japan now. DQ8 didn't sell badly in the west- around 700k in NA and 600k in Europe, but both numbers are lower than FF12 (Europe only slightly, just over 200k lower), especially the NA numbers.

It's not impossible for DQ10 to outsell FFXIII, stranger things have happened, but it's unlikely. Much like MAG outselling Killzone 2.



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Kenryoku_Maxis said:
Kantor said:

Why it is not a JRPG:

1) You capture little beasts and they do the combat for you.

2) It's not story focused at all.

3) It is aimed at children

4) While a JRPG story usually involves a grand adventure, Pokemon's story involves a teenager trapping small animals inside miniature prisons and forcing them to fight until they fall unconscious.

I suppose I exaggerated a little. It certainly is an RPG, and it's Japanese. It shares some traits with JRPGs, but I wouldn't consider it a JRPG. It just doesn't take itself seriously enough. I suppose when I think "JRPG" I think something like Final Fantasy, so Pokemon would be a very different kind of JRPG.

It's still awesome, though

Dragon Quest Monsters is still an RPG and it focuses on 'monster collecting'.  And how in the hell is a game not a JRPG because it is aimed at kids and doesn't have a 'deep' storyline?  Your post seems to be leaning towards the view that all JRPGs have to be like Final Fantasy/Tales of Vesperia to be 'JRPGs'.  May I point you to games like Paper Mario, Chrono Trigger and of course, the entire Dragon Quest series.

I graciously accept defeat at the hands of those who know more about JRPGs than me.

FF13 will be the best selling console JRPG, then.



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Kantor said:

FF13 will be the best selling console JRPG, then.

You are most probably right.



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Kantor said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
Kantor said:
Is this a serious question?

Final Fantasy outsold DQ by a large amount when it was on ONE platform. On TWO...

That logic doesn't always work and this generation things can be all over the place you should know that by now.

Logic dictates that a multiplat game would outsell an exclusive game (GTA IV and CoD4 have, with all versions combined, outsold Halo 3, Super Mario Galaxy, etc.), and Final Fantasy has always been a larger seires than Dragon Quest. Dragon Quest was never a massive seller in the West, it sold in Japan, which is a smaller market now than ever before. The PS2 sold 22 million in Japan, the Wii will be lucky to see 15 million, and because hyped games in Japan are usually frontloaded, that won't really be relevant.

DQ10 will sell more in Japan than Final Fantasy XIII, because the series has always done so, and it has a far larger userbase to sell to. However, in America, 360 games sell extremely well, and FF13 is very popular over there. There is also the PS3 version, which will sell less in America, but still a fair bit. Europe is the series' smallest market, but the PS3 and 360 are both popular in Europe.

I would say it's possible for the PS3 version of FF13 alone to outsell DQ10, but that isn't overly likely. Combined with the 360 version's sales, however, it's almost a certainty. DQ8 sold around 5 million WW, the large majority (3.68 million) of which was in Japan. Final Fantasy XII sold 5.1 million, after being the third Final Fantasy of the generation, with just 2.42 million in Japan. 1.82 million sales were in NA where, as I mentioned, the 360 is huge, and NA + EU are far larger markets than Japan now. DQ8 didn't sell badly in the west- around 700k in NA and 600k in Europe, but both numbers are lower than FF12 (Europe only slightly, just over 200k lower), especially the NA numbers.

It's not impossible for DQ10 to outsell FFXIII, stranger things have happened, but it's unlikely. Much like MAG outselling Killzone 2.

Whoa there :P I was just saying that having it on two consoles isn't going to automatically mean it's going to sell more then other Final Fantasy titles.  If Square doesn't attract new buyers into the series then they're just selling to the same market that might have split up due to the changing of the popularity of the PS brand. I'm sure they'll promote the hell out of it to sell very well in the west but having it on two consoles doesn't give them a free pass to sell more overall.



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Kantor said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
Kantor said:
Is this a serious question?

Final Fantasy outsold DQ by a large amount when it was on ONE platform. On TWO...

That logic doesn't always work and this generation things can be all over the place you should know that by now.

Logic dictates that a multiplat game would outsell an exclusive game (GTA IV and CoD4 have, with all versions combined, outsold Halo 3, Super Mario Galaxy, etc.), and Final Fantasy has always been a larger seires than Dragon Quest. Dragon Quest was never a massive seller in the West, it sold in Japan, which is a smaller market now than ever before. The PS2 sold 22 million in Japan, the Wii will be lucky to see 15 million, and because hyped games in Japan are usually frontloaded, that won't really be relevant.

DQ10 will sell more in Japan than Final Fantasy XIII, because the series has always done so, and it has a far larger userbase to sell to. However, in America, 360 games sell extremely well, and FF13 is very popular over there. There is also the PS3 version, which will sell less in America, but still a fair bit. Europe is the series' smallest market, but the PS3 and 360 are both popular in Europe.

I would say it's possible for the PS3 version of FF13 alone to outsell DQ10, but that isn't overly likely. Combined with the 360 version's sales, however, it's almost a certainty. DQ8 sold around 5 million WW, the large majority (3.68 million) of which was in Japan. Final Fantasy XII sold 5.1 million, after being the third Final Fantasy of the generation, with just 2.42 million in Japan. 1.82 million sales were in NA where, as I mentioned, the 360 is huge, and NA + EU are far larger markets than Japan now. DQ8 didn't sell badly in the west- around 700k in NA and 600k in Europe, but both numbers are lower than FF12 (Europe only slightly, just over 200k lower), especially the NA numbers.

It's not impossible for DQ10 to outsell FFXIII, stranger things have happened, but it's unlikely. Much like MAG outselling Killzone 2.

The reason its still up in the air is because, every FF since FFVII has actually gone down in popularity (sales) in America.  Showing a trend that either the fanbase is getting tired of the games, or the games have a pretty 'solid' fanbase and is not growing (the same 'core' people are buying every game, adding to smaller sales over time).

But the biggest reason why the sales of FFXIII are up in the air is because the game is going to PS3 and 360.  Eventhough its a multiplatform game now, its still on the two platforms that have the smaller userbase.  In Japan, those platforms are virtually non-existant.  And in America, PS3 is struggling.  360 is doing well, but many people might be devided when it comes to buying the game, between wanting to the PS3 version (which already is being said to have added features and graphics) and the 360 version.  All of these factors are possibly going to work against the game, unlike a release like GTAIV which worked to make sure much of the same content was on every game and every system was represented.

TO compound this FURTHER, there's multiple games being released (FFXIII Versus, etc) and its been delayed for far too long.  So the game is going to have lots of confusion and people passing it over for one or another reason.



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Soriku said:
Assuming DQ IX does the 5 mil Wada thinks it will, it'll be close. At least with the PS3. 360 should screw that up. DQ X though will crush FF XIII in JP but not WW unless Nintendo's DQ advertising makes a FF7 like miracle.

Didn't their latest financial report only say they plan on shipping a total of 4 million next quarter. (as in 4 mil lifetime)

 

Also, yes DQ8 did 1.3 million in America + Others, but the game did have a lot of marketing and it also had the demo for Final Fantasy XII. I only bought it for that demo, and so did many others. I'm sure they can work some kind of pack in to push the game like they did for DQ8.

EDIT: I'd add that I don't think DQ8 is a bad game, but the demo is what drove me to buy it.



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I think it isn't as clear as some people make it to be. Dragon Quest could establish itself a bit in the west with VIII, and the DS remakes sure help too for making the name popular. If IX catches fire in the west, X could really outsell FFXIII because FF has been in a decline lately, and although the first one in a generation usually sells the most, the smaller userbase compared to the PS2 probably doesn't help.

So I'm gonna go ahead and say that DQ X outsells the PS3 version of FFXIII w/w, and against both versions it will end up within one million, on one or the other side.



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