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Slimebeast on 07 August 2009
KungKras said:
I feel a bit bad about my previous comment.

Oblivion is the best game this gen to me, so I really like bethesda.

But I hate DLC.


That was nice of you to clarify your position.



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gergroy on 07 August 2009
Slimebeast said:
hatmoza said:
Slimebeast said:
hatmoza said:
Am I the only person thats overwhelmed by bethesda games? Because the open worlds are too much for me and I hate playing a game with the feeling that I'm skipping or missing so much. Thats why I never got into Oblivion or Fallout3


That's an interesting argument. I don't think you are alone.

But isn't that an issue in real life too? The world around you is an open world with so many opportunities of which you will miss the vast majority.

Please don't confuse me as a hater. I played both games but the problem is with me not the games. Although I do like versitility and sidequests, I like them to be more organized and a little plot would be nice, but I get this vague feeling when I'm exploring . And another thing that bugged the bajeezies out of of me is that there is so much stuff you can collect but your limited to carrying so little.


I understand perfectly. I have the same feeling. But I try to control and suppress it, but the feeling is still so strong that it forces me to explore a lot of useless stuff. You know, obsessively clear every cave in every corner of the map (even if it's just filled with rats and imps). That's part of the reason I and many other players got +1,500 hours with Oblivion.

And yes, open world/sandbox games are harder to get into. The first 30 minutes with the game are crucial. That's why it took me two years before I got into Morrowind, on my third try.


lol, Bethesda does a good job of making me want to turn into a burgler. Every house I go into in their games I stake out the place and see if there is anything I want/need to steal :)

gergroy on 07 August 2009
Staude said:
I'm glad most developers aren't like them. Overpriced aditional content instead of regular expansion packs and the worst AI since.. Doom.. 1

wow, first of all, nice job on reading the OP. second of all, have you even played their games? The AI is incredible. The town people walk around and actively engage in conversations or jobs. enemies will crouch or get in cover. I don't see how that can possibly be a legitimate complaint of a Bethesda game.

Lostplanet22 on 07 August 2009

@deadt0m then never play Persona 3-4.



 

deadt0m on 07 August 2009
Lostplanet22 said:
@deadt0m then never play Persona 3-4.

Why?

 

(I already did).



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niksta2 on 07 August 2009

I definitely appreciate their support for the PS3. At first they act like douches and say it's not coming, we're not doing it, etc. but then later on they still support it (i.e. the fallout 3 DLC) and sometimes they add in the extras like they did with the ps3 version of oblivion by adding in the Knights of the Nine



gergroy on 07 August 2009
niksta2 said:
I definitely appreciate their support for the PS3. At first they act like douches and say it's not coming, we're not doing it, etc. but then later on they still support it (i.e. the fallout 3 DLC) and sometimes they add in the extras like they did with the ps3 version of oblivion by adding in the Knights of the Nine

I think that has more to do with microsofts moneyhat than Bethesda.



Staude on 08 August 2009
gergroy said:
Staude said:
I'm glad most developers aren't like them. Overpriced aditional content instead of regular expansion packs and the worst AI since.. Doom.. 1

wow, first of all, nice job on reading the OP. second of all, have you even played their games? The AI is incredible. The town people walk around and actively engage in conversations or jobs. enemies will crouch or get in cover. I don't see how that can possibly be a legitimate complaint of a Bethesda game.

I did read it. And yes I have. Their AI is some of the worst of any game. Sure they walk around in patterns and blurb out random sentences or have "conversations" one of 5 total that consist of what might look like conversations, but that doesn't change the fact that the ai is dumb as fuck. Oblivion has some of the most lifeless AI i've seen in any game. They work more to ruin the immersion than increase it.

Another annoying thing is that if you do a "crime" somewhere, everyone in the rest of the world will know.

I couldn't be arsed to finish it either because the game really didn't give me a lot of will to do so.. it got very boring after a while.. But this is just my opinion, and that's not because I don't like open world games.. in my opinion all games need to give you a drive.. oblivion doesn't give you that at all.



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Kantor on 08 August 2009
gergroy said:
dsister44 said:
because Zenimax is a huge company with an even larger budget

yeah, but there are all sorts of large companies with AAA games that don't get squat for DLC, like mass effect for instance.  Owned by EA, but sucks at DLC.  Or uncharted for PS3, that would of been an awesome game to get some DLC for, but Sony never gave us anything.  MGS4, Gears1, LO, Viva Pinata!!!  There are all sorts of oppurtunities out there and developers/publishers aren't even trying.  

Honestly, if I really like the game, I'm going to get all the DLC for it, I'm sure I'm not the only one out there either.

Naughty Dog don't have that many employees- they had to rush to get Uncharted 2 out of the door by the end of 2009 (thank god). It wasn't really the kind of game that could benefit from DLC either- too linear and story-driven. Same with MGS4.

Uncharted 2 could feasibly have DLC, because of the online segment, but open world non-linear RPGs lend themselves to DLC a lot better than the games you've named. To have successful DLC, a game usually needs either online (Killzone 2, Halo 3, Metal Gear Online, etc.) or a large open world which is not completely driven by the story (Fallout 3, Oblivion, NOT something like Far Cry 2- not that anybody would want more of that crap).



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gergroy on 08 August 2009
Staude said:
gergroy said:
Staude said:
I'm glad most developers aren't like them. Overpriced aditional content instead of regular expansion packs and the worst AI since.. Doom.. 1

wow, first of all, nice job on reading the OP. second of all, have you even played their games? The AI is incredible. The town people walk around and actively engage in conversations or jobs. enemies will crouch or get in cover. I don't see how that can possibly be a legitimate complaint of a Bethesda game.

I did read it. And yes I have. Their AI is some of the worst of any game. Sure they walk around in patterns and blurb out random sentences or have "conversations" one of 5 total that consist of what might look like conversations, but that doesn't change the fact that the ai is dumb as fuck. Oblivion has some of the most lifeless AI i've seen in any game. They work more to ruin the immersion than increase it.

Another annoying thing is that if you do a "crime" somewhere, everyone in the rest of the world will know.

I couldn't be arsed to finish it either because the game really didn't give me a lot of will to do so.. it got very boring after a while.. But this is just my opinion, and that's not because I don't like open world games.. in my opinion all games need to give you a drive.. oblivion doesn't give you that at all.

I respect the fact that you don't like the games, because no game is for everybody.  However, I would challenge you to think of an open world game that has better AI than Bethesda's games.