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Nick on 06 August 2009

The word already has a meaning.... so you can all stop trying to recreate the word.

hard-core:
–adjective
1. unswervingly committed; uncompromising; dedicated
-noun
1. The most dedicated, unfailingly loyal faction of a group or organization: the hard core of the separatist movement.
2. An intractable core or nucleus of a society, especially one that is stubbornly resistant to improvement or change.


Really any game can be played in a hardcore way. I know 2 people that play Solitaire in a way that's more hardcore than what I expect most people on here play their "hardcore" games. They've been playing it every day for years.

Gamers can be hardcore, but games themselves cannot.



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KungKras on 06 August 2009
Mendicate Bias said:
If you want to use proffesional gaming as your guide for hardcore then consoles fit your definition. MLG is probably a bigger gaming league than almost every other league including proffesional pc leagues. According to your definition Halo 3, GoW, Madden are all hardcore. Hell MLG has actually been televized on tv in the United States so here console gaming is definitely more hardcore than pc gaming. Probably not the case in Korea though.


I'd be surprised if any of those games have the following and competitivness that Counterstrike has, but sure they fit my definition of harcore (Although I hate MLG)



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KungKras on 06 August 2009
Nick said:

The word already has a meaning.... so you can all stop trying to recreate the word.

hard-core:
–adjective
1. unswervingly committed; uncompromising; dedicated
-noun
1. The most dedicated, unfailingly loyal faction of a group or organization: the hard core of the separatist movement.
2. An intractable core or nucleus of a society, especially one that is stubbornly resistant to improvement or change.


Really any game can be played in a hardcore way. I know 2 people that play Solitaire in a way that's more hardcore than what I expect most people on here play their "hardcore" games. They've been playing it every day for years.

Gamers can be hardcore, but games themselves cannot.

I like that definition. It completely eliminates the term "hardcore games"



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KungKras on 06 August 2009
S.T.A.G.E. said:
KungKras said:
Alterego-X said:
There was nothing new in this part of the article, even Malstrom talked about it before, and basically everyone who is not too biased with the current casual-hating, should admit that.

There is even that Yahtzee-inspired signature and its parodies appearing, with the "console peasant" and the "PC master race"!

I just like how this article highlights the hypocrasy in using the term "hardcore"


There is no hypocrisy in being a hardcore gamer. Hardcore gamers are just people who are gaming hobbyists and would rather have challenges in gaming, than just simplistic casual play. I've spoken to many casuals and their main gripe with the 360 and PS3 is the games that make use of all the buttons. It's kind of like how PC guys feel about console people, but fail to realize that consoles and PC are two different things that offer a similar style of entertainment.

So am I a "hardcore" Golf player because I have golf as a hobby? I thought that "hobby" was the very definition of playing something casually!

Consoles are PC Lite, (as stated by someone else) They offer a 'casualized' form of the same entertainement that PC's do. Sure, some games play better on consoles, like fighters, but to play fighters "hardcore", most people doesn't even use a console controller, they use an arcade stick. The games that sell on consoles are dumbed down PC games, like first person shooters, so much for the console players being "hardcore".



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Xen on 06 August 2009
Pyro as Bill said:
Strange, my scale goes

PC=Wii >>>> PC lites

I'd be tempted to put Wii above PC on the basis that Wii is a pure gaming machine (aka console) as opposed to a machine that can play games.

...

Wii above X360/PS3?

If either of them had an IR pointer... you could use the saying "everything you can do, I can do better" in HD to Wii relations.

Lol @ "pure gaming machine"... PS3 and X360 do exactly that easily too! most fo the time better too!



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--OkeyDokey-- on 06 August 2009

It's all about the games, Malstrom. Analogue sticks may not be the best option for shooters, but most people would rather adapt than settle for The Conduit.



Zlejedi on 06 August 2009
--OkeyDokey-- said:
It's all about the games, Malstrom. Analogue sticks may not be the best option for shooters, but most people would rather adapt than settle for The Conduit.

Why adapt when you can have better graphics than HD console crowd and better controls from mouse&keybord than ir pointer will ever give you?

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S.T.A.G.E. on 06 August 2009
KungKras said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
KungKras said:
Alterego-X said:
There was nothing new in this part of the article, even Malstrom talked about it before, and basically everyone who is not too biased with the current casual-hating, should admit that.

There is even that Yahtzee-inspired signature and its parodies appearing, with the "console peasant" and the "PC master race"!

I just like how this article highlights the hypocrasy in using the term "hardcore"


There is no hypocrisy in being a hardcore gamer. Hardcore gamers are just people who are gaming hobbyists and would rather have challenges in gaming, than just simplistic casual play. I've spoken to many casuals and their main gripe with the 360 and PS3 is the games that make use of all the buttons. It's kind of like how PC guys feel about console people, but fail to realize that consoles and PC are two different things that offer a similar style of entertainment.

So am I a "hardcore" Golf player because I have golf as a hobby? I thought that "hobby" was the very definition of playing something casually!

Consoles are PC Lite, (as stated by someone else) They offer a 'casualized' form of the same entertainement that PC's do. Sure, some games play better on consoles, like fighters, but to play fighters "hardcore", most people doesn't even use a console controller, they use an arcade stick. The games that sell on consoles are dumbed down PC games, like first person shooters, so much for the console players being "hardcore".


A hobby is something you do primarily outside of work for pleasure. Consoles may be PC lite, but they have a hardcore following and thats why devs like Valve came over to console gaming. It will continue to become more hardcore. It will make you go crazy. It will make your eyes pop out. You will rip games off of your PC torrent while crying.



S.T.A.G.E. on 06 August 2009
Pyro as Bill said:
Strange, my scale goes

PC=Wii >>>> PC lites

I'd be tempted to put Wii above PC on the basis that Wii is a pure gaming machine (aka console) as opposed to a machine that can play games.

The neilsons stated that in 2008 the 360 was used more than the Wii or the PS3. whho is hardcore now?



mai on 06 August 2009

S.T.A.G.E. said:

The neilsons stated that in 2008 the 360 was used more than the Wii or the PS3. whho is hardcore now?

You mean this?