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slowmo on 26 July 2009
ookaze said:
Squilliam said:

Lets see: The zune isn't released worldwide because I believe Balmer said that it would lose them more money to do so. Media Center? I don't really see that as being an area of high revenue, Windows mobile was barely breaking even before the iPhone and massive investment to compete. They made all of 5M before they joined it with E+D.

Xbox 360 revenue = 5.6B

Cost of revenue for Xbox 360 and others = 4.3B

R+D = 1.8B

Believe what you want, but at least back up your statements with some evidence.

 

 

LOL, you people are always full of it.

Your big reference Steve Ballmer said exactly the contrary : http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/oct2006/tc20061011_940241.htm

There, I'll extract it for you :

BW : How much money will you lose per Zune?

Steve Ballmer : None.

I'll take that from the horse's mouth instead of what you want to "believe".

And that was in 2006, I'm pretty sure that with cost reductions, they're profitable in 2009 on Zune, or they couldn't be profitable with XBox either.

You can make all the speculation you want, they hid Xbox in another division to mask the heavy losses they were having with it, and it's still the case. MS is a master at marketing and financial schemes, that's for sure.

But don't worry, they'll release a console Next Gen, they have to, just as they have to make Windows Mobile or Zune, or even promise people a search engine that will destroy Google (that was years ago).

But they fail miserably in everything, every segment where they have to compete. They just don't know how to compete.

It wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't that they don't care one bit for their customers.

In most of their business, the customer is not YOU BTW. It's a common misconception. For example, with XBox, the customers are the developers, not the console's final user. They don't care about them, thus why the console has the worst quality ever due to a design flaw that they won't correct, just workaround. That's why they asked developers what they wanted, not gamers. That's why they close even 1st party game studios of which they don't even have a lot, that's why they don't hesitate to make credulous people pay to play online, while the same service is free on PCs, ...

I mean it's obvious unless one bury its head in the sand.

If it plays out like always with MS products users, there will be some big disappointment in the end, when they finally realise (if ever) that MS doesn't care about them.

This is your classic grade A troll and Microsoft hater, he believes nothing good has ever or will ever come from Microsoft.  His opinions are often small minded and very bitter as his hate gets in the way of common sense.  There is no debating with a person so far up Sony's ass.



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FKNetwork on 26 July 2009
slowmo said:
ookaze said:
Squilliam said:

Lets see: The zune isn't released worldwide because I believe Balmer said that it would lose them more money to do so. Media Center? I don't really see that as being an area of high revenue, Windows mobile was barely breaking even before the iPhone and massive investment to compete. They made all of 5M before they joined it with E+D.

Xbox 360 revenue = 5.6B

Cost of revenue for Xbox 360 and others = 4.3B

R+D = 1.8B

Believe what you want, but at least back up your statements with some evidence.

 

 

LOL, you people are always full of it.

Your big reference Steve Ballmer said exactly the contrary : http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/oct2006/tc20061011_940241.htm

There, I'll extract it for you :

BW : How much money will you lose per Zune?

Steve Ballmer : None.

I'll take that from the horse's mouth instead of what you want to "believe".

And that was in 2006, I'm pretty sure that with cost reductions, they're profitable in 2009 on Zune, or they couldn't be profitable with XBox either.

You can make all the speculation you want, they hid Xbox in another division to mask the heavy losses they were having with it, and it's still the case. MS is a master at marketing and financial schemes, that's for sure.

But don't worry, they'll release a console Next Gen, they have to, just as they have to make Windows Mobile or Zune, or even promise people a search engine that will destroy Google (that was years ago).

But they fail miserably in everything, every segment where they have to compete. They just don't know how to compete.

It wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't that they don't care one bit for their customers.

In most of their business, the customer is not YOU BTW. It's a common misconception. For example, with XBox, the customers are the developers, not the console's final user. They don't care about them, thus why the console has the worst quality ever due to a design flaw that they won't correct, just workaround. That's why they asked developers what they wanted, not gamers. That's why they close even 1st party game studios of which they don't even have a lot, that's why they don't hesitate to make credulous people pay to play online, while the same service is free on PCs, ...

I mean it's obvious unless one bury its head in the sand.

If it plays out like always with MS products users, there will be some big disappointment in the end, when they finally realise (if ever) that MS doesn't care about them.

This is your classic grade A troll and Microsoft hater, he believes nothing good has ever or will ever come from Microsoft.  His opinions are often small minded and very bitter as his hate gets in the way of common sense.  There is no debating with a person so far up Sony's ass.

^Totally agree slowmo, if I posted stuff like that about Sony I would have been banned for it......



Mummelmann on 26 July 2009
slowmo said:
ookaze said:
Squilliam said:

Lets see: The zune isn't released worldwide because I believe Balmer said that it would lose them more money to do so. Media Center? I don't really see that as being an area of high revenue, Windows mobile was barely breaking even before the iPhone and massive investment to compete. They made all of 5M before they joined it with E+D.

Xbox 360 revenue = 5.6B

Cost of revenue for Xbox 360 and others = 4.3B

R+D = 1.8B

Believe what you want, but at least back up your statements with some evidence.

 

 

LOL, you people are always full of it.

Your big reference Steve Ballmer said exactly the contrary : http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/oct2006/tc20061011_940241.htm

There, I'll extract it for you :

BW : How much money will you lose per Zune?

Steve Ballmer : None.

I'll take that from the horse's mouth instead of what you want to "believe".

And that was in 2006, I'm pretty sure that with cost reductions, they're profitable in 2009 on Zune, or they couldn't be profitable with XBox either.

You can make all the speculation you want, they hid Xbox in another division to mask the heavy losses they were having with it, and it's still the case. MS is a master at marketing and financial schemes, that's for sure.

But don't worry, they'll release a console Next Gen, they have to, just as they have to make Windows Mobile or Zune, or even promise people a search engine that will destroy Google (that was years ago).

But they fail miserably in everything, every segment where they have to compete. They just don't know how to compete.

It wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't that they don't care one bit for their customers.

In most of their business, the customer is not YOU BTW. It's a common misconception. For example, with XBox, the customers are the developers, not the console's final user. They don't care about them, thus why the console has the worst quality ever due to a design flaw that they won't correct, just workaround. That's why they asked developers what they wanted, not gamers. That's why they close even 1st party game studios of which they don't even have a lot, that's why they don't hesitate to make credulous people pay to play online, while the same service is free on PCs, ...

I mean it's obvious unless one bury its head in the sand.

If it plays out like always with MS products users, there will be some big disappointment in the end, when they finally realise (if ever) that MS doesn't care about them.

This is your classic grade A troll and Microsoft hater, he believes nothing good has ever or will ever come from Microsoft.  His opinions are often small minded and very bitter as his hate gets in the way of common sense.  There is no debating with a person so far up Sony's ass.

These trolls exist for all platforms. You should check out the hot topics section more often if you didn't know.



sguy78 on 26 July 2009

These corporation give give a crap about fanboys. They care about their money.



MonstaMack on 26 July 2009

If you take out RROD of costs the 360 probably would have made MS a slight profit, and they would have dug that.

If anything MS learned not to rush out their next console incase stuff like the RROD happens again, and by not rushing out their console they will most likely have a nicer profit to start as well (longer product times, cheaper parts at launch). Either way I don't foresee MS putting out another console for 2 years, maybe longer, at the earliest due to the RROD and next gen costs.

Also, MS wants to rule the living room just like everyone else. They want to be your portable music device (Zune) phone (MS Outlook and other MS mobile) gaming system (XBox 360) and your base of operations (Windows OS... what are you actually using a Mac and/or Linux? lol).



It's just that simple.

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Squilliam on 26 July 2009
ookaze said:
Squilliam said:

Lets see: The zune isn't released worldwide because I believe Balmer said that it would lose them more money to do so. Media Center? I don't really see that as being an area of high revenue, Windows mobile was barely breaking even before the iPhone and massive investment to compete. They made all of 5M before they joined it with E+D.

Xbox 360 revenue = 5.6B

Cost of revenue for Xbox 360 and others = 4.3B

R+D = 1.8B

Believe what you want, but at least back up your statements with some evidence.

 

 

LOL, you people are always full of it.

Your big reference Steve Ballmer said exactly the contrary : http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/oct2006/tc20061011_940241.htm

There, I'll extract it for you :

BW : How much money will you lose per Zune?

Steve Ballmer : None.

I'll take that from the horse's mouth instead of what you want to "believe".

And that was in 2006, I'm pretty sure that with cost reductions, they're profitable in 2009 on Zune, or they couldn't be profitable with XBox either.

You can make all the speculation you want, they hid Xbox in another division to mask the heavy losses they were having with it, and it's still the case. MS is a master at marketing and financial schemes, that's for sure.

But don't worry, they'll release a console Next Gen, they have to, just as they have to make Windows Mobile or Zune, or even promise people a search engine that will destroy Google (that was years ago).

But they fail miserably in everything, every segment where they have to compete. They just don't know how to compete.

It wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't that they don't care one bit for their customers.

In most of their business, the customer is not YOU BTW. It's a common misconception. For example, with XBox, the customers are the developers, not the console's final user. They don't care about them, thus why the console has the worst quality ever due to a design flaw that they won't correct, just workaround. That's why they asked developers what they wanted, not gamers. That's why they close even 1st party game studios of which they don't even have a lot, that's why they don't hesitate to make credulous people pay to play online, while the same service is free on PCs, ...

I mean it's obvious unless one bury its head in the sand.

If it plays out like always with MS products users, there will be some big disappointment in the end, when they finally realise (if ever) that MS doesn't care about them.

Since you ignored what I stated I have no reason to spend any effort on this because the chances of it changing your opinion are 0% and the chances of me wasting my time in trying are 100%.

Unless you can prove that some other cost, whether its from the R+D account or somewhere else exceeds the Xbox 360 revenue then you cannot prove that the Xbox 360 is unprofitable. What you just posted is fluff and speculation and you're avoiding the real issues. 5.6B Revenue Xbox 360, 4.3B Cost of revenue which includes things like keyboards, mice, zunes and Xbox 360s and 1.8B R+D. So you're going to prove to me that the majority of the R+D is Xbox 360 related in a division which also houses Natal, Surface, Windows mobile and Zune? Are you going to prove to me that they are spending billions every year in advertising?



Tease.

Bitmap Frogs on 27 July 2009

Hey, FUD!

We haven't got some for a while.





Current-gen game collection uploaded on the profile, full of win and good games; also most of my PC games. Lucasfilm Games/LucasArts 1982-2008 (Requiescat In Pace).

Kantor on 27 July 2009

This year is a jumpy one.

We went from PS3 is doomed to Wii is doomed to PS3 is doomed and now to 360 is doomed.



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Lord N on 27 July 2009
Mummelmann said:
MS have accomplished what they set out to do this gen; beat Sony. There is no logical reason for them not to make another console.
Does the author of the article forget that if you use the simple formula of; operating loss = no go for next generation means that Sony wouldn't make one either?

Actually, MS's goal for this gen was to be the market leader and turn an overall profit. Remember, at the beginning, they didn't think that the Wii would pose any kind of significant threat. When it became clear that they would end up a distant, unprofitable second place, they started trying to focus on beating the PS3, even though it's not really a decisive victory.

But in the broad scheme of things, Microsoft really hasn't gained any ground. As I said above, they are a distant second place, which is exactly where they were last gen, and on top of that, for all of the consoles and accessories they've sold, for all the Xbox Live subscriptions, and for all of the software that's been moved on their platform, they've still made no money. The Xbox 360 is ahead of the Xbox, but after selling only 24 million units last gen, it had nowhere to go but up, so of course it was going to sell more unless MS made some 1990's Sega-style gaffes. I've seen the usual suspects go on and on about how the 360 is selling so damn well, which is a notion that is so ludicrous that the only evidence that they can produce to support it is the fact that it has a lead over the worst-selling system of the generation.

That being said, MSFT will most certainly release a console next generation, but I don't see them releasing another one after that. The market has rejected Sony's(and MSFT's) plans for an all-in-one media center, so there really is no reason for the Xbox 360 to exist and keep eating away at MSFT's profits. It would have actually been more cost-effective for MSFT to just buy a Gamecube for 20 million people in Nov. 2001.



 

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1337 Gamer on 27 July 2009

Believe me it fits into their future strategy. The future is the incorporation of Consoles into PCs. Much like ONLIVE they will be all based on internet and Digital distribution except on a global scale. All programs and operating systems will be run from servers and sent to your house. It means u never have to upgrade ur PC or console ever again!!!

But the answer to the question is yes they will! 130M is not very big when compared to the 4 billion they lost for the origional xbox and compared to what SONY has lost with the PS3



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