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ZenfoldorVGI on 18 July 2009
bobobologna said:
CGI-Quality said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Soriku said:
Small difference anyway...

It is very small, honestly, but it is noticable on a relatively small TV, unlike most resolution differences. 720p, to 1080p(or 1080i) is indistinguishable to the human eye, unless you are setting with 5 feet of a 52 inch television. If you think you can tell the difference, you really can't. It's all about your perception that you are watching the best, and in reality there is no difference whatsoever. That's why 1080p is completely unnecessary for most gamers. Unless you have a 70 inch television and excellent vision, you can't tell the difference between 1080p and 720p, and for 1080i, you will only be able to distinguish the difference during motion blurring.

Also, most things don't produce a 1080p signal. Most satellites/cable networks only go up to 1080i/720p, and pretty much only DD and Blu-Ray allow for 1080p, which you  can't distinguish anyway(most people have 42 inch HDs, so the difference is indistinguishable to the human eye).

In fact, there is NO reason to EVER buy a television under 52 inches, that is over 720p, ever. You are wasting your money. Period.

HIGHLY disagree with that.

 

I'm also going to have to disagree with ZenfolderVGI.  While I think that the difference between 720p vs 1080p VIDEO is pretty much nonexistant for most people (including me), it is very clear to me when games are 1080p vs 720p.  While I can't always tell if it's not full 720p, I can tell when games are not 1080p.  The difference in quality is quite clear to me.

I've played plenty of games on my 37" LCD TV both in 720p and 1080p (I used to use my 37" TV as a PC monitor).  And there really is no contest between 720p and 1080p.  Hopefully the next round of consoles will be powerful enough to actually render in 1080p.

But if you (Zen) are talking about the fact that 720p vs 1080p is a moot point now because almost every game renders at 720p, then I could partially agree.  I still think it's worth it to go for 1080p for anything over 32" because of future consoles/content though.

I like how you act like 1280x720 vs 1280x576 is noticeable on even relatively small TVs, but 720p vs 1080p isn't very noticeable except on the largest TVs.  1080p is TWICE the pixels of 720p.  There's no way you won't notice that on a video game, where AA can only do so much to hide the game's rendering resolution.

Edit: I was ranting here, and said some ignorant things. I apologize. I have retyped my response in a later post.



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tedsteriscool on 18 July 2009
CGI-Quality said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
CGI-Quality said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Soriku said:
Small difference anyway...

It is very small, honestly, but it is noticable on a relatively small TV, unlike most resolution differences. 720p, to 1080p(or 1080i) is indistinguishable to the human eye, unless you are setting with 5 feet of a 52 inch television. If you think you can tell the difference, you really can't. It's all about your perception that you are watching the best, and in reality there is no difference whatsoever. That's why 1080p is completely unnecessary for most gamers. Unless you have a 70 inch television and excellent vision, you can't tell the difference between 1080p and 720p, and for 1080i, you will only be able to distinguish the difference during motion blurring.

Also, most things don't produce a 1080p signal. Most satellites/cable networks only go up to 1080i/720p, and pretty much only DD and Blu-Ray allow for 1080p, which you  can't distinguish anyway(most people have 42 inch HDs, so the difference is indistinguishable to the human eye).

In fact, there is NO reason to EVER buy a television under 52 inches, that is over 720p, ever. You are wasting your money. Period.

HIGHLY disagree with that.

Explain yourself. The difference is impossible to detect with the human eye, is it not. So, please, expand.

A game in 720p looks significantly worse than it does in 1080p. Don't know what to tell you.

And no, you're not wasting your money with anything under 52" over 720p.

At 52'' 1080P is easily noticeable.

 

At 40'' and below though, 1080P is more or less indistinguishable at normal viewing distances (say, 7 feet away from a 40'' screen).



Boutros on 18 July 2009

The PS3 version sure looks more blurry.



tedsteriscool on 18 July 2009
CGI-Quality said:
tedsteriscool said:
CGI-Quality said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
CGI-Quality said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Soriku said:
Small difference anyway...

It is very small, honestly, but it is noticable on a relatively small TV, unlike most resolution differences. 720p, to 1080p(or 1080i) is indistinguishable to the human eye, unless you are setting with 5 feet of a 52 inch television. If you think you can tell the difference, you really can't. It's all about your perception that you are watching the best, and in reality there is no difference whatsoever. That's why 1080p is completely unnecessary for most gamers. Unless you have a 70 inch television and excellent vision, you can't tell the difference between 1080p and 720p, and for 1080i, you will only be able to distinguish the difference during motion blurring.

Also, most things don't produce a 1080p signal. Most satellites/cable networks only go up to 1080i/720p, and pretty much only DD and Blu-Ray allow for 1080p, which you  can't distinguish anyway(most people have 42 inch HDs, so the difference is indistinguishable to the human eye).

In fact, there is NO reason to EVER buy a television under 52 inches, that is over 720p, ever. You are wasting your money. Period.

HIGHLY disagree with that.

Explain yourself. The difference is impossible to detect with the human eye, is it not. So, please, expand.

A game in 720p looks significantly worse than it does in 1080p. Don't know what to tell you.

And no, you're not wasting your money with anything under 52" over 720p.

At 52'' 1080P is easily noticeable.

 

At 40'' and below though, 1080P is more or less indistinguishable at normal viewing distances (say, 7 feet away from a 40'' screen).

The difference is there, regardless.

Yeah, but you have to sit really close. For example, right now I'm sitting a tad over a foot away from a 24'' PC monitor with 1200P resolution. It is easy to see the difference between 1200P and lower resolutions because I'm so close.

 

Going by personal experience wouldn't that mean you'd have to sit like...2 feet away from a 40'' TV to see the difference? I don't know anyone who does that.



Pristine20 on 18 July 2009

576p or more content? This one is an easy choice for me. After playing gamecube and ps2 RPGs recently, 576p is beautiful enough for me.



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ZenfoldorVGI on 18 July 2009
CGI-Quality said:
tedsteriscool said:

At 52'' 1080P is easily noticeable.

 

At 40'' and below though, 1080P is more or less indistinguishable at normal viewing distances (say, 7 feet away from a 40'' screen).

The difference is there, regardless.

Well, yeah, that's true, there is a difference....but look at it like this. On a 37 inch screen, you need to be setting within 5 feet of the screen with perfect vision to get the full benefit of 1080p. If you are setting 10 feet away, you can't tell the difference at all.

Some people on this thread have claimed there is a huge advantage to 1080p vs 720 in most instances. Even in the best case scenerio, the advantage isn't huge, and in the worst, it is completely negligable.

Now that plasma is dying, and you can get the 720p 50 inch plasmas from SAMSUNG for 800 dollars....when in reality, most people can't, nor will ever be able to tell much of a difference....yes, I think buying a 800 dollar 32 inch 1080p LCD is a complete and utter waste of money.

That is my opinion.

Now earlier, I hinted that there might be some science behind this, and that I could "prove" my point, but I really can't. I was just angry at an earlier post, and went off on a rant. Ignore that. Consider this my real response to the 1080p question.



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It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

tedsteriscool on 18 July 2009
ZenfoldorVGI said:
CGI-Quality said:
tedsteriscool said:

At 52'' 1080P is easily noticeable.

 

At 40'' and below though, 1080P is more or less indistinguishable at normal viewing distances (say, 7 feet away from a 40'' screen).

The difference is there, regardless.

Well, yeah, that's true, there is a difference....but look at it like this. On a 37 inch screen, you need to be setting within 5 feet of the screen with perfect vision to get the full benefit of 1080p. If you are setting 10 feet away, you can't tell the difference at all.

Some people on this thread have claimed there is a huge advantage to 1080p vs 720 in most instances. Even in the best case scenerio, the advantage isn't huge, and in the worst, it is completely negligable.

Now that plasma is dying, and you can get the 720p 50 inch plasmas from SAMSUNG for 800 dollars....when in reality, most people can't, nor will ever be able to tell much of a difference....yes, I think buying a 800 dollar 32 inch 1080p LCD is a complete and utter waste of money.

That is my opinion.

Now earlier, I hinted that there might be some science behind this, and that I could "prove" my point, but I really can't. I was just angry at an earlier post, and went off on a rant. Ignore that. Consider this my real response to the 1080p question.

 



ZenfoldorVGI on 18 July 2009
tedsteriscool said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
CGI-Quality said:
tedsteriscool said:

At 52'' 1080P is easily noticeable.

 

At 40'' and below though, 1080P is more or less indistinguishable at normal viewing distances (say, 7 feet away from a 40'' screen).

The difference is there, regardless.

Well, yeah, that's true, there is a difference....but look at it like this. On a 37 inch screen, you need to be setting within 5 feet of the screen with perfect vision to get the full benefit of 1080p. If you are setting 10 feet away, you can't tell the difference at all.

Some people on this thread have claimed there is a huge advantage to 1080p vs 720 in most instances. Even in the best case scenerio, the advantage isn't huge, and in the worst, it is completely negligable.

Now that plasma is dying, and you can get the 720p 50 inch plasmas from SAMSUNG for 800 dollars....when in reality, most people can't, nor will ever be able to tell much of a difference....yes, I think buying a 800 dollar 32 inch 1080p LCD is a complete and utter waste of money.

That is my opinion.

Now earlier, I hinted that there might be some science behind this, and that I could "prove" my point, but I really can't. I was just angry at an earlier post, and went off on a rant. Ignore that. Consider this my real response to the 1080p question.

 

I'll watch that vid right now, but first, let me say that I edited my earlier post after rereading it, because I felt it was arrogant and ignorant to a certain extent. My post just above this one is the response that I should have given originally. Watching vid now.

Edit: It was a chart, noscript blocked it like a vid.

I found this post and liked it a lot:

It would depend on your sitting distance from the display. Here is a chart to see what I mean:

http://www.carltonbale.com/2006/11/1080p-does-matter/

Bigger is usually better, and to a lesser extent, 1080p is better than 720p. The only reason why 1080p vs 720p is less of an improvement compared to size has to do with screen size, content viewed on it, how far away you sit, and how good your eyesight is.

If you watch a lot of SD content, then 720p might actually look better with this content compared to 1080p since it doesn't have to guess at as many pixels that must be added to these fixed pixel displays.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

Dgc1808 on 18 July 2009

I'll still be buying it if it hits NA.



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Xigmund on 18 July 2009

lmao



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