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JUG on 14 July 2009

I agree with what most have siad, the Wii can't change the trend of lack of support for this gen, but it will still end up the winner and that means Wii2 will likely get the support that Nintendo hasn't had since the Snes days.

Futhermore, I don't believe that Microsoft (and especially not Sony!) are planning to release a new console anytime in the near future. I predict Wii2 will be out first and will have superior specs to the competition at a reasonable price point. This should be a winning combination for Nintendo.



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Samus Aran on 14 July 2009
KillerMan said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
KillerMan said:
Samus Aran said:
--OkeyDokey-- said:

It's not because the games won't sell, it's because nobody wants to make games on outdated hardware. That's really all there is to it. The PS2 was less powerful than the competition, but it was powerful enough.


Hmm, ps3 and xbox360 use outdated hardware. Rephrase your sentence because what you just said is horribly wrong.


So he should correct it to that Wii uses ancient hardware?

He should write that 'all' consoles are outdated by their launch.


But I think he meant that Wii is a lot more outdated when compared to X360 and PS3. Wii uses basically last gen tech.


No, I just meant that ps3 and xbox360 use outdated tech and he said the wii was the only one using outdated tech. Sure the one from the wii is way more outdated, but that doesn't change the fact that the hardware in the ps3 and xbox360 are outdated. My laptop packs a lot more power then a ps3 for example.



Esa-Petteri on 14 July 2009

Yeah, that is true. 360 is the closest match for the same support as ps2 got. Biggest difference is that wii got the shovelware of ps2.



Lolcislaw on 14 July 2009

It wont get as good support as the PS2 because hardly anyone expected it to be a success, plus many devs prefer to put their "big" games on consoles with better hardware. Wii gets good 3rd party support , definately better then in the Era of N64 or the GC.

Majority of Japanese devs realised mistakes they made and started developing for it. DQ X, MH Tri, Tales of Graces, FF:CB are just examples of those "BIG" third party games that Wii was lacking in last few years.

And if some Western Devs dont want it to support it, its their business decision, but some of them put a lot of effort into their Wii multiplat titles; Tiger Woods, Madden, Smackdown vs Raw or PES are exceptionally good for example.

Wii is my favourite console simply because it has Ninty first party titles. If a third party dev wants sales like Nintendo titles get they need to make a big title like those on HD consoles, only titles with big budget and a lot of production value tend to be selling milions.



bardicverse on 14 July 2009
--OkeyDokey-- said:

It's not because the games won't sell, it's because nobody wants to make games on outdated hardware. That's really all there is to it. The PS2 was less powerful than the competition, but it was powerful enough.

That does it. I'm going to church. We actually AGREE on something for a change

@OP - to add to Okey's response - art teams are locked into a HD mindset and training now, and producers' eyes have beheld HD graphics. To put it in perspective, if I had the same option, at a comparable cost, to put out our game in SD or HD, I'd choose HD. You've seen how harshly SD game reviews can be, simply for the fact that they're not HD.

Insisting on making your game in SD, unless it fits perfectly for Wii design, is like dressing up your kid like the biggest dork in the world and sending him off to school. He'll get ridiculed by everyone at school.

Nintendo has the markershare, there's no doubt there. As Montana said (omg I agree with Montana too!), the next nintendo system will have a lot more 3rd party support, since Nintendo has plans to embrace HD (and I pray to God that they ditch Dolby Pro Logic for 5.1 at bare minimum!). Being the prior market leader, and having hardware that is at least up to the current trend will entice more developers to bring their games to the system.

I know that if our FPS does well in 2010, Wii 2 might see its sequel as well as our survival horror game in the early works.

 

 



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Dno on 14 July 2009
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
This has been gone over time and time again. PS2 got all the support because Third parties were following the trends of the PSX success and it paid off. It came out first and it continued to be the most successful and so they threw everything behind it and by the end, it had 90% of third party support.

In this gen, the XBOX360 came out first and got a lot of third party attention, but others were hesitant to throw out all their support, waiting to see if the PS3 would follow the PS2s success. Mostly everyone ignored the Wii. In the end, the Wii and Nintendo surprised everyone and overtook them all by force. Many are just now turning around to join up, while others are pouting and refusing to make games for them due to grudges, disbelief or simply because they think they can't make money on the system/the system is outdated/the system is 'kiddy'.

In the end, the only two things that make the PS2 and Wii similar are that they are the low end systems of their gen. But Nintendo got the VERY short end of the stick and is still fighting a very nasty label put on them by both Sony and XBOX from the last 10 years. If anything, third parties are going to continue to ignore them for the most part until the next gen, until their wallets start barking at them.


like who? devs that put hardwork and make great games made money off the HD twins easy. This is a bad statement and its wrong and im kinda sick of hearing it. No one is going down because they are not making games for the wii... for every 3rd party success on wii theres about 50 more on the HD systems.

 

Next gen my be a different story but not this gen.



HappySqurriel on 14 July 2009
Dno said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
This has been gone over time and time again. PS2 got all the support because Third parties were following the trends of the PSX success and it paid off. It came out first and it continued to be the most successful and so they threw everything behind it and by the end, it had 90% of third party support.

In this gen, the XBOX360 came out first and got a lot of third party attention, but others were hesitant to throw out all their support, waiting to see if the PS3 would follow the PS2s success. Mostly everyone ignored the Wii. In the end, the Wii and Nintendo surprised everyone and overtook them all by force. Many are just now turning around to join up, while others are pouting and refusing to make games for them due to grudges, disbelief or simply because they think they can't make money on the system/the system is outdated/the system is 'kiddy'.

In the end, the only two things that make the PS2 and Wii similar are that they are the low end systems of their gen. But Nintendo got the VERY short end of the stick and is still fighting a very nasty label put on them by both Sony and XBOX from the last 10 years. If anything, third parties are going to continue to ignore them for the most part until the next gen, until their wallets start barking at them.


like who? devs that put hardwork and make great games made money off the HD twins easy. This is a bad statement and its wrong and im kinda sick of hearing it. No one is going down because they are not making games for the wii... for every 3rd party success on wii theres about 50 more on the HD systems.

 

Next gen my be a different story but not this gen.

The record revenues and record losses of third party publishers that are directly related to the high sales of HD games not being enough to compensate for their high development cost demonstrate that you're wrong ...



BMaker11 on 14 July 2009
SaviorX said:

You are right. The Wii has only received a little support, and that is how things will stay.

I'm not being sarcastic either, I am dead serious. Nintendo has focused much more on the DS about 5 years into its life than the Wii in about 3. Whether that is due to the DSi launch or the overall ease of DS development, who knows. Regardless, the Wii isn't getting much good stuff from 3rd parties.

Games like The Conduit, Madworld are miniscule on a grand scale. Games on other consoles kill them by a country mile, but Wii owners have to" Settle". This need to have to "Settle"ruins everything. Nintendo has money to actually prevent this type of thing next gen, but this gen is over when it comes to change.


3rd party Wii games are just less-effort takes on other things:

Final Fantasy 13 & 14> Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers
Resident Evil 5> Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicle/ RE1 port
Dead Space> Dead Space Extraction
Smackdown vs Raw 2009 (Wii has no RUN function)
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed>Wii version (Game-crippling camera)
UFC Undisputed/Saints Row 2> de Blob
Wolverine PS360> Wii version was near unplayable
PES Soccer>Wii version comes out later than every other version until recently
Capcom support in general for the PS360>Wii is "dumped" on.
No Take-Two support
Overlord 2> Overlord:Dark Legend is full of bugs.........
Ubisoft had a shovelware OVERLOAD.........


Need I say more?

Whoa..agreed. That's strange....



BMaker11 on 14 July 2009
--OkeyDokey-- said:
Soriku said:
--OkeyDokey-- said:
routsounmanman said:
--OkeyDokey-- said:

It's not because the games won't sell, it's because nobody wants to make games on outdated hardware. That's really all there is to it. The PS2 was less powerful than the competition, but it was powerful enough.

Ahhhh, so that's why developers steer clear of the DS while opting for the superior PSP. Gotcha. I'll pretend DQIX never happened.

No, they avoid both.


Japan would like a word.

Okay, if power's not the issue, then why isn't Modern Warfare 2, Assassins Creed 2, Resident Evil 5, Bioshock 2, Street Fighter IV, UFC Undisputed, Tekken 6, Prototype, BlazBlue, Lost Planet 2, Red Faction: Guerilla, Fight Night Round 4 and just about every other 2009 multiplat title not getting a Wii version?

Wii sells more software than the other consoles, so we know that's not the reason.

I know that you're trying to say, but I wanna facepalm pic here. When you look at the Wii's software numbers, you see things like Mario, Zelda, Brawl, etc selling 5M+. Then those other games that sell multiple millions? Cooking Mama, Mario and Sonic, Raving Rabbids...etc. Not games that are in the style of the games you mentioned

SaviorX hit the nail on the noggin when he said "which kinds" of games are selling on the Wii. I, too, wouldn't want to be associated with the "it sells the most 3rd party software...because games like Mario and Sonic sell gangbusters". Does it sell the most 3rd party software? Absolutely. Does it sell the "types" of games we associate ourselves with as gamers, in order to get that title? No.



Arius Dion on 14 July 2009

It's not much different from the NES era.



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