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Words Of Wisdom said:
Gamerace said:

WoW - You know I have total respect for you but I am going to take you to task here.

It is painfully obvious the reviewer resented having to review this Wii game and totally half-assed it.

One - The comment that Halo 3 compared to Halo is a far cry better than Conduit compared to Goldeneye is not only completely unture it's just plain stupid.   If he said Conduit compared to Perfect Dark I'd have totally agreed with him.

Two - I've got the game.  He has a slight point with the melee attack since if you make a  subtle motion it may not detect it.  As for ruining your aim, you just jab it forward slightly, it was never tossed off my aim- plus it's totally mappable to another button.  As for tossing grenades he never bothered to find out how it works (you aim and shake and it tosses it to where you're pointing) made some false assuptions and then condemns the game because it doesn't work.  It works fine.

Third - He admits he skipped all the cutscenes then complains he didn't understand the story.  WTF??  That's assinine.  That's like reading the first and last chapter of a book and complaining you don't understand how the end happened.  No sh--.  Not saying the story is great but who is he to judge?

Forth - He didn't even play the multiplayer which is half the game (at least).  That would simply not be tolerated on a review of a major FPS on 360.

He grudgingly admits it's fun and that he liked the controls but he had predetermined this game would suck and the review shows that.

Thank you for the compliment.  I think a good back and forth is fun once in a while so let's have at it.  ^_^

One - I think you're right.  I think it was an exaggerated claim much akin to lifting a box and saying "this weighs a ton!"  The box doesn't actually weigh a ton, but it weighs a lot.

Two - If that's the case then at most the reviewer would have been able to criticize the default scheme but nothing more.  It would have been a minor point of annoyance (having to remap it), but not a reason to lower the score on its own.

Third - "the boring story that had me tapping the A button as fast as I could during cutscenes" is the quote I'm looking at and in many games this speeds up conversations and the like.  If pushing A skips things entirely then that changes the entire meaning of the statement.  If he was skipping content then I will agree with you.  If he was simply speeding it up to get back into the action then I will not.

Fourth -  Fourth has a "u" in it.

Fifth - Good point.  While multiplayer is not important to me, it is important in the overall scheme of things.  If he was not able to try online multiplayer at the time due to lack of people online then he should publish an addition to review to incorporate it. 

Those are what we are calling him on. He bashed the game for content he was misusing or ignoring.



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mfogg20 said:
the reviewer says he didn't get to experience the multiplayer???? WTF

How do you review a game when the bulk of the experience lies outside of the campaign??? Would you review halo without playing online?

People did it for Killzone 2.

There are quite a few shoddy reviewers out there.

Edit:

Geez, this thread is four pages!



Words Of Wisdom said:

I think the people who say the reviewer obviously hates the Wii actually need to follow the link and read the whole review.

Reviewer's points:

Pro:

  • Aiming is good.
  • Interface is customizable.

Cons:

  • Graphics are great for Wii, not-so-great overall.
  • Game is short--only 5 hours long.
  • Ending is pretty much non-existent with no final boss fight.
  • Melee controls are bad.
  • All-Seeing-Eye is annoying.

As a whole it's a fairly decent review that touches on gamemplay, length, controls, and visuals.  

The people screaming fanboy and Wii-hater here are projecting their own insecurities on this guy.  I mean, have you all gone so far off the fanboy deep end that you can't tell the difference between fair criticism from genuine Wii-hate?

theRepublic said:

radioioRobert said:

From the Gamepro reviewer's twitter: https://twitter.com/taelurkim

Quote: 
My mistake was forgetting the passing of the Internet Opinion Act which outlawed opinions on the Internet. I wish I'd voted no now. Haha, thanks? I'd try and respond to all the criticism but I'd have better luck draining the ocean with a teaspoon.

This guy has NO CLUE why people are upset.  Opinions are fine, but they need to be defensible.  I could be of the opinion that the earth is flat, but that is in no way defensible.

His assertion that the graphical gap between The Conduit and Goldeneye is less than the gap between Halo 3 and Halo or Killzone 2 and Killzone is not defensible.

His constant insults of the Wii for an exclusive Wii game are in no way defensible.  In the same vein, his praise of the hardware of the 360, PS3, and to a lesser extent PC are out of place in a review for an exclusive Wii game.

At the start of one paragraph, he claims the controls are "terrible" and then in the last sentence of the same paragraph says, "I played with the default and was absolutely happy with it."  It goes without saying that contradictions are not defensible.

He complains about the mapping of two functions to motion controls, without mentioning that you can completely customize all control options.  He could have mapped those functions to buttons.  Leaving that out of the review, or more likely not spending enough time with the game to find the option menu, is not defensible.

Not playing multiplayer of a game made primarily for the multiplayer, is not defensible.

This was easily the worst review I have ever read.

From the review:
...or do I blame Nintendo for creating a console whose lack of hardware power essentially handcuffs every developer who tries to create a "next-gen" game for it? 
...they did a great job of squeezing every last drop of performance out of the Wii's tiny, bumblebee-like engine. 
I almost couldn't help but wonder what the game would have been like on the 360 or PS3.
Those quotes are only from the first page.  None of them belong in a game review.  This is especially so for an exclusive Wii game.  If there were 360 and PS3 verions of this game, it would make more sense to compare them, but they don't exist.  This guy obviously hates the Wii.



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Words Of Wisdom said:
Gamerace said:

WoW - You know I have total respect for you but I am going to take you to task here.

It is painfully obvious the reviewer resented having to review this Wii game and totally half-assed it.

One - The comment that Halo 3 compared to Halo is a far cry better than Conduit compared to Goldeneye is not only completely unture it's just plain stupid.   If he said Conduit compared to Perfect Dark I'd have totally agreed with him.

Two - I've got the game.  He has a slight point with the melee attack since if you make a  subtle motion it may not detect it.  As for ruining your aim, you just jab it forward slightly, it was never tossed off my aim- plus it's totally mappable to another button.  As for tossing grenades he never bothered to find out how it works (you aim and shake and it tosses it to where you're pointing) made some false assuptions and then condemns the game because it doesn't work.  It works fine.

Third - He admits he skipped all the cutscenes then complains he didn't understand the story.  WTF??  That's assinine.  That's like reading the first and last chapter of a book and complaining you don't understand how the end happened.  No sh--.  Not saying the story is great but who is he to judge?

Forth - He didn't even play the multiplayer which is half the game (at least).  That would simply not be tolerated on a review of a major FPS on 360.

He grudgingly admits it's fun and that he liked the controls but he had predetermined this game would suck and the review shows that.

Thank you for the compliment.  I think a good back and forth is fun once in a while so let's have at it.  ^_^

One - I think you're right.  I think it was an exaggerated claim much akin to lifting a box and saying "this weighs a ton!"  The box doesn't actually weigh a ton, but it weighs a lot.

Two - If that's the case then at most the reviewer would have been able to criticize the default scheme but nothing more.  It would have been a minor point of annoyance (having to remap it), but not a reason to lower the score on its own.

Third - "the boring story that had me tapping the A button as fast as I could during cutscenes" is the quote I'm looking at and in many games this speeds up conversations and the like.  If pushing A skips things entirely then that changes the entire meaning of the statement.  If he was skipping content then I will agree with you.  If he was simply speeding it up to get back into the action then I will not.

Fourth -  Fourth has a "u" in it.

Fifth - Good point.  While multiplayer is not important to me, it is important in the overall scheme of things.  If he was not able to try online multiplayer at the time due to lack of people online then he should publish an addition to review to incorporate it. 

Okay, round two.

One - I take your point but it comes across unproffessional and totally misleading.   If a forum poster said that, fine you expect take sort of kneejerk statement but not in a 'professional review'.  People might take that as fact not exaggeration.

Two - If he did a more thorough review (instead of his admitted rush job) we would have discovered the remapping option, and proper useage of controls and not had this as a serious complaint.   He discredits himself and the review here.   On the flipside, the game doesn't clearly specify how tossing a grenade works other than by moving the nunchuk so I can understand his assumption (since he's not a Wii player) but it's still sloppy reviewing.

Three - I've been watching them, but I assume A skips at least the portion of the cutscene your in if not the whole thing.  Never heard of an option to 'speed it up' but could be.    Still, if he's going to comment on the story he should be paying attention to it.

Fourth - smartass

Fifth - A lot of FPS now have (very) short single player sessions and really bank on the multiplayer as the main selling element.  The Conduit is not an exception here.  At least he admits he didn't bother (or couldn't?) play it, but then they still go ahead a score it anyway.  Would it kill them to wait a day?  No.   Would it kill this reviewer to play a Wii game online?  Apparently.



 

RolStoppable said:

Words Of Wisdom is really good at his game. He isn't stupid enough to actually believe what he wrote in the first place, particularly the last paragraph. For once I'd like to see him to pull this stuff on people who aren't Nintendo fans.

On topic: Condraticting reviews are fun. This reminds me of Gamespot's Metroid Prime 3 review in which they docked points for being too similar to the first two games and for being too different to the first two games.

lol I forgot about that one.  Moral of the story:  Don't trust magazines with 'Game' in their name.



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After reading the onslaught of the net vs gamepro ( still surprised they are around) , by now I would expect a more professional response from them in light of all this. But they go on tweet and give their 2 cents defense , how sweet!

I think if you have a wii hater reviewing your material you need to look into that, will always be biased.



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Hey completely off topic, but if you've picked up this game be sure and post your friend codes in the official Conduit thread....

http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=73516



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