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ll has anyone seen the activision published titles on ps3 almost all of them are joke titles apart from COD, GH and mabey TH



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Squilliam said:
gebx said:
Dgc1808 said:
It's impossible to make money on PS3 without 4M+ plus sales. PS3 is doomed.

 

http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?&results=50&name=&console=PS3&keyword=&publisher=14&genre=&order=Sales&boxart=Both&showdeleted=&region=All&alphasort=

Out of the 30 or so games published by Activision for the PS3, only ONE game passed 4 million, the next drops to 1.9 million

The average game on the PS3 if you take out GH and COD sells about 250,000 copies. It would actually be a GOOD business move for Activision to drop every game PS3 game, other than CoD and GH which do make them money.

Thats an interesting list. I tried looking for them earlier, but I didn't realise that Activision covered both the pre and post merger. But yeah I would have to agree that they would have been better off not making anything other than COD and GH3 for the PS3.

donig the same search with the 360: http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=&keyword=&console=X360&region=All&developer=&publisher=14&genre=&boxart=Both&results=50&order=Sales

...make note that kung fu panda, lego indiana jones, and marvel ultimate alliance are only up that high due to being heavily bundled.

...looks pretty damn simular to me.

1. call of duty

2. guitar hero III

5. guitar hero II

7. call of duty II

8. call of duty III

9. guitar hero world tour.

10. 007 quantum of solace   - 0.94 M

11. guitar hero areosmith

12. transformers   - 0.74 M

 

maybe activision should stop making any game that isnt' guitar hero and call of duty since they obviously fail on both the ps3 and 360.



Username2324 said:
Gebx you're just loving this Activision thing aren't you? PS3 software sells, sometimes better than 360 software.

Just because someone develops a crap game doesn't mean the platform is bad. Look at the Wii, people develop crap games and then blame it on other games stealing their market. If you make a better game, you make a better return on that game.

Everyone just wants to blame everyone else.

You may be missing the point.  He didn't just mention that the PS3 user base was not expanding as quickly as it should, he also mentioned the 1/2 billion dollars that Sony has soaked up in royalties and other payments from Activision.  If Sony was to charge that much for IP, etc, then they better show them the money when it comes to game sales.



Well he's wrong, Sony can afford a price cut without going bankrupt. However they'll get a bit closer, as a price cut will cost them 5-10% of their cash reserves in one year.



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Rainbird said:
gebx said:
Dgc1808 said:
It's impossible to make money on PS3 without 4M+ plus sales. PS3 is doomed.

 

http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?&results=50&name=&console=PS3&keyword=&publisher=14&genre=&order=Sales&boxart=Both&showdeleted=&region=All&alphasort=

Out of the 30 or so games published by Activision for the PS3, only ONE game passed 4 million, the next drops to 1.9 million

The average game on the PS3 if you take out GH and COD sells about 250,000 copies. It would actually be a GOOD business move for Activision to drop every game PS3 game, other than CoD and GH which do make them money.

And like so many other things in life, that list needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

On that list, there are 27 titles which have been released, and we have data for. Nine of those are movie tie-ins, two are history channel games  and Prototype has only just been released.

Fishing and hunting games don't do very well on either PS3 or the 360, as opposed to on the Wii, and many of those games sold lowly on the 360 as well. Quake Wars, Fracture and SCORE International BAJA for example.

I'm not saying that some of these titles don't "undersell" on the PS3, like Tony Hawk Project 8, but if Activision want to make more money off the PS3, my suggestion would be to produce better games.

I prefer rock salt. If the cost of porting is more a fixed cost rather than a % of cost of development then it does make sense to not port games which will sell poorly and spend that money elsewhere. Also it gives space for other games on the PS3 to perform better, a win/win I say!



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Squilliam said:
Rainbird said:

And like so many other things in life, that list needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

On that list, there are 27 titles which have been released, and we have data for. Nine of those are movie tie-ins, two are history channel games  and Prototype has only just been released.

Fishing and hunting games don't do very well on either PS3 or the 360, as opposed to on the Wii, and many of those games sold lowly on the 360 as well. Quake Wars, Fracture and SCORE International BAJA for example.

I'm not saying that some of these titles don't "undersell" on the PS3, like Tony Hawk Project 8, but if Activision want to make more money off the PS3, my suggestion would be to produce better games.

I prefer rock salt. If the cost of porting is more a fixed cost rather than a % of cost of development then it does make sense to not port games which will sell poorly and spend that money elsewhere. Also it gives space for other games on the PS3 to perform better, a win/win I say!

I would prefer that the money spent on porting the lousy games to the PS3 were spent on something better, like making good games

And yes, it is a win/win, and I will agree more with you for every copy of BAJA that was chosen over Motorstorm: Pacific Rift.

All in all though, why spend money on creating the bad games in the first place? Spend the money on making good games that will make nice profits on both platforms instead



Rainbird said:
gebx said:
Dgc1808 said:
It's impossible to make money on PS3 without 4M+ plus sales. PS3 is doomed.

 

http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?&results=50&name=&console=PS3&keyword=&publisher=14&genre=&order=Sales&boxart=Both&showdeleted=&region=All&alphasort=

Out of the 30 or so games published by Activision for the PS3, only ONE game passed 4 million, the next drops to 1.9 million

The average game on the PS3 if you take out GH and COD sells about 250,000 copies. It would actually be a GOOD business move for Activision to drop every game PS3 game, other than CoD and GH which do make them money.

And like so many other things in life, that list needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

On that list, there are 27 titles which have been released, and we have data for. Nine of those are movie tie-ins, two are history channel games  and Prototype has only just been released.

Fishing and hunting games don't do very well on either PS3 or the 360, as opposed to on the Wii, and many of those games sold lowly on the 360 as well. Quake Wars, Fracture and SCORE International BAJA for example.

I'm not saying that some of these titles don't "undersell" on the PS3, like Tony Hawk Project 8, but if Activision want to make more money off the PS3, my suggestion would be to produce better games.

 

Your argument falls when comparing sales to other consoles, the Activision CEO states "rate of attachment" is the problem.

Let's compare multiplatform releases for an accurate comparisson (So no CoD2, GH2, etc which all sold millions on the 360)

 

Xbox 360
PS3
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare

Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
Activision  7.49
Activision  4.35





Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock

Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock
RedOctane  4.23
RedOctane  1.88





Lego Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures
Lego Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures
LucasArts  3.36
LucasArts  0.56





Kung Fu Panda

Kung Fu Panda
Activision  2.95
Activision  0.37





Marvel: Ultimate Alliance

Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Activision  2.45
Activision  0.29





Call of Duty 3

Call of Duty 3
Activision  2.31
Activision  0.67





Guitar Hero: World Tour

Guitar Hero: World Tour
Activision  2
Activision  1.21





007: Quantum of Solace

007: Quantum of Solace
Activision  0.94
Activision  0.67





Guitar Hero: Aerosmith

Guitar Hero: Aerosmith
Activision  0.86
Activision  0.52





Transformers: The Game

Transformers: The Game
Activision  0.74
Activision  0.27





Spider-Man 3 

Spider-Man 3 
Activision  0.74
Activision  0.27





Tony Hawk's Project 8

Tony Hawk's Project 8
Activision  0.67
Activision  0.17





Tony Hawk's Proving Ground

Tony Hawk's Proving Ground
Activision  0.45
Activision  0.31





Enemy Territory: Quake Wars

Enemy Territory: Quake Wars
Activision  0.36
Activision  0.28





X-Men Origins: Wolverine - Uncaged Edition
X-Men Origins: Wolverine - Uncaged Edition
Activision Blizzard  0.32
Activision Blizzard  0.29





Spider-Man: Web of Shadows

Spider-Man: Web of Shadows
Activision  0.29
Activision  0.15





[Prototype]

[Prototype]
Activision  0.29
Activision  0.17





World Series of Poker: Tournament of Champions World Series of Poker 2008: Battle for the Bracelets
Activision  0.16
Activision  0.05





Soldier of Fortune: Payback

Soldier of Fortune: Payback
Activision  0.14
Activision  0.06





Cabela's Dangerous Hunts 2009

Cabela's Dangerous Hunts 2009
Activision  0.12
Activision  0.06





Fracture

Fracture
LucasArts  0.11
LucasArts  0.05





History Channel Civil War: Secret Missions
History Channel Civil War: Secret Missions
Activision  0.08
Activision  0.06





Monsters vs. Aliens

Monsters vs. Aliens
Activision  0.05
Activision  0.04





SCORE International Baja 1000

SCORE International Baja 1000: The Official Game
Activision  0.01
Activision  0.01

 

Total 360 Copies - 31.12 million (360 Attach Rate = 1.01), 1.30 million average sold per game
Total PS3 Copies - 12.76 (PS3 Attach Rate = 0.56), 0.53 million average sold per game

* Note - Reminder that these numbers only account for multiplatform releases to compare the PS3 to its competitor

 

@ Username2023

I'm guessing your comment about PS3 software selling better was not referring to Activison games? You'll see none of these games outsold the 360 (well maybe Baja 1000 since they look tied :) )

Xbox 360
PS3
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
Activision  7.49 20th Jun 09 Activision  4.35 20th Jun 09







Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock
Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock
RedOctane  4.23 20th Jun 09 RedOctane  1.88 20th Jun 09







Lego Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures Lego Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures
LucasArts  3.36 20th Jun 09 LucasArts  0.56 20th Jun 09







Kung Fu Panda

Kung Fu Panda
Activision  2.95 10th Jun 08 Activision  0.37 10th Jun 08







Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Activision  2.45 20th Jun 09 Activision  0.29 20th Jun 09







Call of Duty 3

Call of Duty 3
Activision  2.31 12th Apr 08 Activision  0.67 20th Jun 09







Guitar Hero: World Tour
Guitar Hero: World Tour
Activision  2 16th Apr 09 Activision  1.21 20th Jun 09







007: Quantum of Solace
007: Quantum of Solace
Activision  0.94 24th Mar 09 Activision  0.67 20th Jun 09







Guitar Hero: Aerosmith
Guitar Hero: Aerosmith
Activision  0.86 20th Jun 09 Activision  0.52 20th Jun 09







Transformers: The Game
Transformers: The Game
Activision  0.74 21st Jun 09 Activision  0.27 20th Jun 09







Spider-Man 3 

Spider-Man 3 
Activision  0.74 20th Jun 09 Activision  0.27 20th Jun 09







Tony Hawk's Project 8
Tony Hawk's Project 8
Activision  0.67 16th Jun 09 Activision  0.17 20th Jun 09







Tony Hawk's Proving Ground
Tony Hawk's Proving Ground
Activision  0.45 18th Oct 08 Activision  0.31 20th Jun 09







Enemy Territory: Quake Wars
Enemy Territory: Quake Wars
Activision  0.36 12th May 08 Activision  0.28 12th May 08







X-Men Origins: Wolverine - Uncaged Edition X-Men Origins: Wolverine - Uncaged Edition
Activision Blizzard  0.32 20th Jun 09 Activision Blizzard  0.29 20th Jun 09







Spider-Man: Web of Shadows
Spider-Man: Web of Shadows
Activision  0.29 20th Jun 09 Activision  0.15 20th Jun 09







[Prototype]

[Prototype]
Activision  0.29 20th Jun 09 Activision  0.17 20th Jun 09







World Series of Poker: Tournament of Champions World Series of Poker 2008: Battle for the Bracelets
Activision  0.16 06th Jul 07 Activision  0.05 20th Jun 09







Soldier of Fortune: Payback
Soldier of Fortune: Payback
Activision  0.14 20th Nov 07 Activision  0.06 20th Jun 09







Cabela's Dangerous Hunts 2009
Cabela's Dangerous Hunts 2009
Activision  0.12 13th Oct 08 Activision  0.06 20th Jun 09







Fracture


Fracture

LucasArts  0.11 20th Jun 09 LucasArts  0.05 20th Jun 09







History Channel Civil War: Secret Missions History Channel Civil War: Secret Missions
Activision  0.08 04th Oct 08 Activision  0.06 04th Oct 08







Monsters vs. Aliens

Monsters vs. Aliens
Activision  0.05 26th Jan 09 Activision  0.04 18th Jan 09







SCORE International Baja 1000
SCORE International Baja 1000: The Official Game
Activision  0.01 26th May 09 Activision  0.01 21st Jan 09


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gebx said:
Rainbird said:
gebx said:
Dgc1808 said:
It's impossible to make money on PS3 without 4M+ plus sales. PS3 is doomed.

 

http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?&results=50&name=&console=PS3&keyword=&publisher=14&genre=&order=Sales&boxart=Both&showdeleted=®ion=All&alphasort=

Out of the 30 or so games published by Activision for the PS3, only ONE game passed 4 million, the next drops to 1.9 million

The average game on the PS3 if you take out GH and COD sells about 250,000 copies. It would actually be a GOOD business move for Activision to drop every game PS3 game, other than CoD and GH which do make them money.

And like so many other things in life, that list needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

On that list, there are 27 titles which have been released, and we have data for. Nine of those are movie tie-ins, two are history channel games  and Prototype has only just been released.

Fishing and hunting games don't do very well on either PS3 or the 360, as opposed to on the Wii, and many of those games sold lowly on the 360 as well. Quake Wars, Fracture and SCORE International BAJA for example.

I'm not saying that some of these titles don't "undersell" on the PS3, like Tony Hawk Project 8, but if Activision want to make more money off the PS3, my suggestion would be to produce better games.

 

Your argument falls when comparing sales to other consoles, the Activision CEO states "rate of attachment" is the problem.

Let's compare multiplatform releases for an accurate comparisson (So no CoD2, GH2, etc which all sold millions on the 360)

 

Xbox 360
PS3
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare

Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
Activision  7.49
Activision  4.35





Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock

Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock
RedOctane  4.23
RedOctane  1.88





Lego Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures
Lego Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures
LucasArts  3.36
LucasArts  0.56





Kung Fu Panda

Kung Fu Panda
Activision  2.95
Activision  0.37





Marvel: Ultimate Alliance

Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Activision  2.45
Activision  0.29





Call of Duty 3

Call of Duty 3
Activision  2.31
Activision  0.67





Guitar Hero: World Tour

Guitar Hero: World Tour
Activision  2
Activision  1.21





007: Quantum of Solace

007: Quantum of Solace
Activision  0.94
Activision  0.67





Guitar Hero: Aerosmith

Guitar Hero: Aerosmith
Activision  0.86
Activision  0.52





Transformers: The Game

Transformers: The Game
Activision  0.74
Activision  0.27





Spider-Man 3 

Spider-Man 3 
Activision  0.74
Activision  0.27





Tony Hawk's Project 8

Tony Hawk's Project 8
Activision  0.67
Activision  0.17





Tony Hawk's Proving Ground

Tony Hawk's Proving Ground
Activision  0.45
Activision  0.31





Enemy Territory: Quake Wars

Enemy Territory: Quake Wars
Activision  0.36
Activision  0.28





X-Men Origins: Wolverine - Uncaged Edition
X-Men Origins: Wolverine - Uncaged Edition
Activision Blizzard  0.32
Activision Blizzard  0.29





Spider-Man: Web of Shadows

Spider-Man: Web of Shadows
Activision  0.29
Activision  0.15





[Prototype]

[Prototype]
Activision  0.29
Activision  0.17





World Series of Poker: Tournament of Champions World Series of Poker 2008: Battle for the Bracelets
Activision  0.16
Activision  0.05





Soldier of Fortune: Payback

Soldier of Fortune: Payback
Activision  0.14
Activision  0.06





Cabela's Dangerous Hunts 2009

Cabela's Dangerous Hunts 2009
Activision  0.12
Activision  0.06





Fracture

Fracture
LucasArts  0.11
LucasArts  0.05





History Channel Civil War: Secret Missions
History Channel Civil War: Secret Missions
Activision  0.08
Activision  0.06





Monsters vs. Aliens

Monsters vs. Aliens
Activision  0.05
Activision  0.04





SCORE International Baja 1000

SCORE International Baja 1000: The Official Game
Activision  0.01
Activision  0.01

 

Total 360 Copies - 31.12 million (360 Attach Rate = 1.01), 1.30 million average sold per game
Total PS3 Copies - 12.76 (PS3 Attach Rate = 0.56), 0.53 million average sold per game

* Note - Reminder that these numbers only account for multiplatform releases to compare the PS3 to its competitor

 

@ Username2023

I'm guessing your comment about PS3 software selling better was not referring to Activison games? You'll see none of these games outsold the 360 (well maybe Baja 1000 since they look tied :) )

Xbox 360
PS3
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
Activision  7.49 20th Jun 09 Activision  4.35 20th Jun 09







Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock
Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock
RedOctane  4.23 20th Jun 09 RedOctane  1.88 20th Jun 09







Lego Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures Lego Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures
LucasArts  3.36 20th Jun 09 LucasArts  0.56 20th Jun 09







Kung Fu Panda

Kung Fu Panda
Activision  2.95 10th Jun 08 Activision  0.37 10th Jun 08







Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Activision  2.45 20th Jun 09 Activision  0.29 20th Jun 09







Call of Duty 3

Call of Duty 3
Activision  2.31 12th Apr 08 Activision  0.67 20th Jun 09







Guitar Hero: World Tour
Guitar Hero: World Tour
Activision  2 16th Apr 09 Activision  1.21 20th Jun 09







007: Quantum of Solace
007: Quantum of Solace
Activision  0.94 24th Mar 09 Activision  0.67 20th Jun 09







Guitar Hero: Aerosmith
Guitar Hero: Aerosmith
Activision  0.86 20th Jun 09 Activision  0.52 20th Jun 09







Transformers: The Game
Transformers: The Game
Activision  0.74 21st Jun 09 Activision  0.27 20th Jun 09







Spider-Man 3 

Spider-Man 3 
Activision  0.74 20th Jun 09 Activision  0.27 20th Jun 09







Tony Hawk's Project 8
Tony Hawk's Project 8
Activision  0.67 16th Jun 09 Activision  0.17 20th Jun 09







Tony Hawk's Proving Ground
Tony Hawk's Proving Ground
Activision  0.45 18th Oct 08 Activision  0.31 20th Jun 09







Enemy Territory: Quake Wars
Enemy Territory: Quake Wars
Activision  0.36 12th May 08 Activision  0.28 12th May 08







X-Men Origins: Wolverine - Uncaged Edition X-Men Origins: Wolverine - Uncaged Edition
Activision Blizzard  0.32 20th Jun 09 Activision Blizzard  0.29 20th Jun 09







Spider-Man: Web of Shadows
Spider-Man: Web of Shadows
Activision  0.29 20th Jun 09 Activision  0.15 20th Jun 09







[Prototype]

[Prototype]
Activision  0.29 20th Jun 09 Activision  0.17 20th Jun 09







World Series of Poker: Tournament of Champions World Series of Poker 2008: Battle for the Bracelets
Activision  0.16 06th Jul 07 Activision  0.05 20th Jun 09







Soldier of Fortune: Payback
Soldier of Fortune: Payback
Activision  0.14 20th Nov 07 Activision  0.06 20th Jun 09







Cabela's Dangerous Hunts 2009
Cabela's Dangerous Hunts 2009
Activision  0.12 13th Oct 08 Activision  0.06 20th Jun 09







Fracture


Fracture

LucasArts  0.11 20th Jun 09 LucasArts  0.05 20th Jun 09







History Channel Civil War: Secret Missions History Channel Civil War: Secret Missions
Activision  0.08 04th Oct 08 Activision  0.06 04th Oct 08







Monsters vs. Aliens

Monsters vs. Aliens
Activision  0.05 26th Jan 09 Activision  0.04 18th Jan 09







SCORE International Baja 1000
SCORE International Baja 1000: The Official Game
Activision  0.01 26th May 09 Activision  0.01 21st Jan 09

You might wanna add the PSP and PS2 games to that since there a part of what they r threataning to shut down ;)

Edit: i realized i wus going off topic my beezy



gebx quoting bruce on games? Are you serious? That's like completely NOT making your point.



ps-button said:

I am selling my xbox I dont give a F*ck what they do. Activision threatens Sony and at the same time made the better version of Prototype on PS3....what is going on????


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