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outlawauron on 22 June 2009
Torillian said:
Soriku said:
outlawauron said:
Soriku said:
outlawauron said:
Xen said:
Don't force me to slap you, seraphic. Lame? hell no.

While maybe Lame isn't the best word, the Tales series is hardly top notch and should be compared with other B-rate series like Star Ocean.


Hell no, not after how bad SO4 is supposed to be. That's an insult.

Tales of Tempest, Tales of Legendia, Tales of the World, and Tales of Symphonia 2 are all comparable if not worse than Star Ocean 4.



Maybe Tempest and World. Definitely not ToS2. Don't know about Legendia.

How about comparing main series? Comparing spin offs to main series just shows how much better Tales is.

Well SO4 was reviewed better and you have admitted to not playing it so I'm really not sure what you are basing this assumption off of.  If you are saying that reviews aren't to be trusted and you only base RPG quality off of your own experience then you must admit that you don't have any experience with SO4 and thus you can't make such a claim.

Well, regardless of the reviews, Star Ocean 4 was terrible.

And ToS 2 was just as bad.



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Torillian on 22 June 2009
outlawauron said:
Torillian said:
Soriku said:
outlawauron said:
Soriku said:
outlawauron said:
Xen said:
Don't force me to slap you, seraphic. Lame? hell no.

While maybe Lame isn't the best word, the Tales series is hardly top notch and should be compared with other B-rate series like Star Ocean.


Hell no, not after how bad SO4 is supposed to be. That's an insult.

Tales of Tempest, Tales of Legendia, Tales of the World, and Tales of Symphonia 2 are all comparable if not worse than Star Ocean 4.



Maybe Tempest and World. Definitely not ToS2. Don't know about Legendia.

How about comparing main series? Comparing spin offs to main series just shows how much better Tales is.

Well SO4 was reviewed better and you have admitted to not playing it so I'm really not sure what you are basing this assumption off of.  If you are saying that reviews aren't to be trusted and you only base RPG quality off of your own experience then you must admit that you don't have any experience with SO4 and thus you can't make such a claim.

Well, regardless of the reviews, Star Ocean 4 was terrible.

And ToS 2 was just as bad.

I haven't played both so I'm afraid I can't confirm or deny that, I'm just pointing out that Soriku can't be definitive about it either.

Have you had the misfortune of playin both Outlaw?

Edit: also, to whoever said Cross Edge was underrated, I sincerely disagree.



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forest-spirit on 22 June 2009

I guess this thread was definitely not the best place for Tales fans to express their opinion...sad, just sad.



outlawauron on 22 June 2009
Torillian said:
outlawauron said:
Torillian said:
Soriku said:
outlawauron said:
Soriku said:
outlawauron said:
Xen said:
Don't force me to slap you, seraphic. Lame? hell no.

While maybe Lame isn't the best word, the Tales series is hardly top notch and should be compared with other B-rate series like Star Ocean.


Hell no, not after how bad SO4 is supposed to be. That's an insult.

Tales of Tempest, Tales of Legendia, Tales of the World, and Tales of Symphonia 2 are all comparable if not worse than Star Ocean 4.



Maybe Tempest and World. Definitely not ToS2. Don't know about Legendia.

How about comparing main series? Comparing spin offs to main series just shows how much better Tales is.

Well SO4 was reviewed better and you have admitted to not playing it so I'm really not sure what you are basing this assumption off of.  If you are saying that reviews aren't to be trusted and you only base RPG quality off of your own experience then you must admit that you don't have any experience with SO4 and thus you can't make such a claim.

Well, regardless of the reviews, Star Ocean 4 was terrible.

And ToS 2 was just as bad.

I haven't played both so I'm afraid I can't confirm or deny that, I'm just pointing out that Soriku can't be definitive about it either.

Have you had the misfortune of playin both Outlaw?

Edit: also, to whoever said Cross Edge was underrated, I sincerely disagree.

I've played both, but I've only beaten Star Ocean.

I quit playing Tales because of other games. I'd say they are about of equal quality in that 5-6 range in my opinion.

I do think Cross Edge is better than the score you gave it though.



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And snuggle the girls be they short or tall,
Then follow young Mat whenever he calls,
To dance with Jak o' the Shadows."

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Torillian on 22 June 2009
outlawauron said:

I've played both, but I've only beaten Star Ocean.

I quit playing Tales because of other games. I'd say they are about of equal quality in that 5-6 range in my opinion.

I do think Cross Edge is better than the score you gave it though.

Yeah I read that you disagreed, but that's the experience I had.  Can't write it up differently just because others think it's better, same thing I did with ToS2 when I got people disagreeing with me about that score. 

I guess I just ignore most people that disagree because it's hard to tell who is disagreeing based on an objective review of the material and how I wrote my review, and who is just a fan and wants it to have a higher number becase they think it is fun.  I would guess you are the former, but that is why in general I don't let people disagreeing with me bother me too much.  That and the fact it happens with basically every review I've ever written.



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outlawauron on 22 June 2009
forest-spirit said:
I guess this thread was definitely not the best place for Tales fans to express their opinion...sad, just sad.

It's the perfect place, but I don't see how anyone can be more excited for a Tales game over a new main Final Fantasy unless you only play action RPGs.



"We'll toss the dice however they fall,
And snuggle the girls be they short or tall,
Then follow young Mat whenever he calls,
To dance with Jak o' the Shadows."

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Shadowblind on 22 June 2009
outlawauron said:
forest-spirit said:
I guess this thread was definitely not the best place for Tales fans to express their opinion...sad, just sad.

It's the perfect place, but I don't see how anyone can be more excited for a Tales game over a new main Final Fantasy unless you only play action RPGs.

Its easy after a game like Tales of Vesperia. very easy.

Still...even action RPG fans would be hard pressed to actually choose Tales of Graces over FFXIII. Even I can say that FFXIII looks like the best JRPG since Tales of Vesperia. What Tales games have you played again?



GOTY Contestants this year: Dead Space 2, Dark Souls, Tales of Graces f. Everything else can suck it.

outlawauron on 22 June 2009
Shadowblind said:
outlawauron said:
forest-spirit said:
I guess this thread was definitely not the best place for Tales fans to express their opinion...sad, just sad.

It's the perfect place, but I don't see how anyone can be more excited for a Tales game over a new main Final Fantasy unless you only play action RPGs.

Its easy after a game like Tales of Vesperia. very easy.

Still...even action RPG fans would be hard pressed to actually choose Tales of Graces over FFXIII. Even I can say that FFXIII looks like the best JRPG since Tales of Vesperia. What Tales games have you played again?

Eternia, Phantasia, Symphonia, Abyss, Legendia, Symphonia 2, Vesperia, World, and I think that's it.



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And snuggle the girls be they short or tall,
Then follow young Mat whenever he calls,
To dance with Jak o' the Shadows."

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g-value on 22 June 2009
outlawauron said:
forest-spirit said:
I guess this thread was definitely not the best place for Tales fans to express their opinion...sad, just sad.

It's the perfect place, but I don't see how anyone can be more excited for a Tales game over a new main Final Fantasy unless you only play action RPGs.


Because the latest tales game (ToV) was AWESOME and the latest Final Fantasy game (FF12) was.........not so awesome. FF13 does looking like it will make up for FF12 BIG TIME.



forest-spirit on 22 June 2009
outlawauron said:
forest-spirit said:
I guess this thread was definitely not the best place for Tales fans to express their opinion...sad, just sad.

It's the perfect place, but I don't see how anyone can be more excited for a Tales game over a new main Final Fantasy unless you only play action RPGs.

Well, it's opinions...and in my case ToG has impressed more than FFXIII. Heck, the fact that it's Team Destiny does it all.