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g-value on 22 June 2009
Dazkarieh said:
@ g-value and outlawauron

I don't like Vesperia... at all. I don't like Yuri (seriously, it breaks my nerves to hear wonders about him, specially here in VGC... but I respect and it's probably the second time I say this, although the other time very smoothly not to get motived), I don't like the AI (neither party or enemies), I don't like the combos (specially when compared to the awesome aerial combos in ToS:DotNW - the only thing they really did right in this one), I don't like the script (ok... Tales never had good ones. But this one is specially bad... it was like when I saw "Saw 3" for the first time. I already knew what the twists would be and don't let the story drive for itself that way. they were simply pushing it that way), and, to summarize, I felt they were giving me an old car... polished, bright, with beautiful tires... but old.

Now, please don't kill me. I know I'm probably the one that's wrong here, and it's probably the best Tales ever (yaiiikes... this was hard to write). It's like FFX (the second worst FF, IMO, but the best FF to many). I don't like it. That's all ;)


How in the bloody hell can you not like Yuri? He is 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000x better then any tales main character and most main characters in jrpgs. And how can you not like the combos? Take a good look at this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08dxBn4ZaCU

Do you not see the awesomeness in those combos? You can find that in any other tales game. And the script is great because if it was not the characters in ToV would not be so awesome. You want a bad script go to games like Magna Carta 1, Tales of Symphonia and Star Ocean 4.



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Dazkarieh on 22 June 2009
g-value said:


How in the bloody hell can you not like Yuri? He is 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000x better then any tales main character and most main characters in jrpgs. And how can you not like the combos? Take a good look at this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08dxBn4ZaCU

Do you not see the awesomeness in those combos? You can find that in any other tales game. And the script is great because if it was not the characters in ToV would not be so awesome. You want a bad script go to games like Magna Carta 1, Tales of Symphonia and Star Ocean 4.

Look... we disagree... that's all. And although I'm with you on SO4 and Magna Carta, I don't think anyone you'll buy a Tales expecting a novel. But, like you say, you liked the characters and therefore the script. I liked none, so I also agree with you: they must be related.

About the combos... I felt bored after 10 hours. I had never felt bored in a Tales before.

Relax... OK, I shouldn't have said it was a bad game. My mistake. I simply don't like it and, whatever formula they used, I don't want it anymore ;)



     

 

g-value on 22 June 2009
Dazkarieh said:
g-value said:


How in the bloody hell can you not like Yuri? He is 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000x better then any tales main character and most main characters in jrpgs. And how can you not like the combos? Take a good look at this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08dxBn4ZaCU

Do you not see the awesomeness in those combos? You can find that in any other tales game. And the script is great because if it was not the characters in ToV would not be so awesome. You want a bad script go to games like Magna Carta 1, Tales of Symphonia and Star Ocean 4.

Look... we disagree... that's all. And although I'm with you on SO4 and Magna Carta, I don't think anyone you'll buy a Tales expecting a novel. But, like you say, you liked the characters and therefore the script. I liked none, so I also agree with you: they must be related.

About the combos... I felt bored after 10 hours. I had never felt bored in a Tales before.

Relax... OK, I shouldn't have said it was a bad game. My mistake. I simply don't like it and, whatever formula they used, I don't want it anymore ;)

The formula is really no different then any other tales game. The only differents is that the tales formula was perfected with Tales of Vesperia. The battle system is pretty much the same as other tales games but perfected, the script still hold the focus on character interaction like any other tales game except with ToV it was perfected making the characters some of the best i've seen in a jrpg. And i feel the justice part of ToV's story was close to novel level while everything else was great but still typical jrpg fare. ToV is easily the best tales game and many would agree. May i ask whats your favorite tales game?



dahuman on 22 June 2009
outlawauron said:
dahuman said:
outlawauron said:
dahuman said:
outlawauron said:
forest-spirit said:
I guess this thread was definitely not the best place for Tales fans to express their opinion...sad, just sad.

It's the perfect place, but I don't see how anyone can be more excited for a Tales game over a new main Final Fantasy unless you only play action RPGs.

FF generally has more impressive tech, it's not always better other than that, if you judge the games based on tech along, then FF will win out every time for sure, in other aspects, that's not always true.

Well, sure that stuff flies here because there is a huge Tales fanbase here.

I'm willing to bet that Final Fantasy XIII will be better in every aspect.

@ forest-spirit

Team Destiny is making this? That'll be interesting as it's their first 3D console game.

@ Daz

Still fighting the good fight, eh?

that's a dangerous gamble =P since I'm a JRPG maniac and I've never liked FF combat better than Tales >=D but have always felt FF is a little more immersive because of the their tech aspect, however, if your mind is already set in stone, then there is not much to say.

Oh my mind isn't set in stone, but I don't see how it can. The best Tales game I've ever played wouldn't top my favorite 5 Final Fantasy games.

And I already said that the think that those who prefer Action RPGs will prefer ToG's combat, because it's an action RPG. I've played the Tales system before, as each game has only taken what the previous Tales game has done before and adds to it. They don't do anything innovative. They add something that enhance the system more, but the core formula has remained the same since Symphonia.

@ Daz

It was just a joke where you gave a ludicrious statement, by assuming an unlikely position.

And Tales of Vesperia was not a bad game. It takes everything from Symphonia and Abyss and improves on it.

 

you do realize that the FF13 combat system is straight from Xenogears right?



outlawauron on 22 June 2009

Soriku, your favorite series are Tales and Kingdom Hearts. You love TWEWY. I don't see how you argue that you don't prefer action RPGs to more traditional RPGs.

Changing up the camera does not equal innovation, and removing free run only takes us back to Team Destiny's earlier 2D battle systems.

Final Fantasy has changed things from each iteration since 6 on. (as 6 -> 7)

FF4->FF6 had some pretty minor changes, but nothing too crazy.



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g-value on 22 June 2009
dahuman said:
outlawauron said:
dahuman said:
outlawauron said:
dahuman said:
outlawauron said:
forest-spirit said:
I guess this thread was definitely not the best place for Tales fans to express their opinion...sad, just sad.

It's the perfect place, but I don't see how anyone can be more excited for a Tales game over a new main Final Fantasy unless you only play action RPGs.

FF generally has more impressive tech, it's not always better other than that, if you judge the games based on tech along, then FF will win out every time for sure, in other aspects, that's not always true.

Well, sure that stuff flies here because there is a huge Tales fanbase here.

I'm willing to bet that Final Fantasy XIII will be better in every aspect.

@ forest-spirit

Team Destiny is making this? That'll be interesting as it's their first 3D console game.

@ Daz

Still fighting the good fight, eh?

that's a dangerous gamble =P since I'm a JRPG maniac and I've never liked FF combat better than Tales >=D but have always felt FF is a little more immersive because of the their tech aspect, however, if your mind is already set in stone, then there is not much to say.

Oh my mind isn't set in stone, but I don't see how it can. The best Tales game I've ever played wouldn't top my favorite 5 Final Fantasy games.

And I already said that the think that those who prefer Action RPGs will prefer ToG's combat, because it's an action RPG. I've played the Tales system before, as each game has only taken what the previous Tales game has done before and adds to it. They don't do anything innovative. They add something that enhance the system more, but the core formula has remained the same since Symphonia.

@ Daz

It was just a joke where you gave a ludicrious statement, by assuming an unlikely position.

And Tales of Vesperia was not a bad game. It takes everything from Symphonia and Abyss and improves on it.

 

you do realize that the FF13 combat system is straight from Xenogears right?

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh HELL NO. I just noticed. It is like an amp form of Xneogears's combat system. My hype for FF13 just went down BIG TIME. Nobody rips off the greatest rpg of all time.



outlawauron on 22 June 2009
dahuman said:
outlawauron said:

Oh my mind isn't set in stone, but I don't see how it can. The best Tales game I've ever played wouldn't top my favorite 5 Final Fantasy games.

And I already said that the think that those who prefer Action RPGs will prefer ToG's combat, because it's an action RPG. I've played the Tales system before, as each game has only taken what the previous Tales game has done before and adds to it. They don't do anything innovative. They add something that enhance the system more, but the core formula has remained the same since Symphonia.

@ Daz

It was just a joke where you gave a ludicrious statement, by assuming an unlikely position.

And Tales of Vesperia was not a bad game. It takes everything from Symphonia and Abyss and improves on it.

 

you do realize that the FF13 combat system is straight from Xenogears right?

Uh, no I don't see it.



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And snuggle the girls be they short or tall,
Then follow young Mat whenever he calls,
To dance with Jak o' the Shadows."

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dahuman on 22 June 2009

watch the game play videos again, that's what it is. if you remember how xenogears was and loved every minute of it, you'd see a lot of the same. the difference is graphics and presentation, the system is uh, not too different.



g-value on 22 June 2009
outlawauron said:
dahuman said:
outlawauron said:

Oh my mind isn't set in stone, but I don't see how it can. The best Tales game I've ever played wouldn't top my favorite 5 Final Fantasy games.

And I already said that the think that those who prefer Action RPGs will prefer ToG's combat, because it's an action RPG. I've played the Tales system before, as each game has only taken what the previous Tales game has done before and adds to it. They don't do anything innovative. They add something that enhance the system more, but the core formula has remained the same since Symphonia.

@ Daz

It was just a joke where you gave a ludicrious statement, by assuming an unlikely position.

And Tales of Vesperia was not a bad game. It takes everything from Symphonia and Abyss and improves on it.

 

you do realize that the FF13 combat system is straight from Xenogears right?

Uh, no I don't see it.

You don't? Hmmmm maybe i'm over reacting alittle.



dahuman on 22 June 2009
g-value said:
dahuman said:
outlawauron said:
dahuman said:
outlawauron said:
dahuman said:
outlawauron said:
forest-spirit said:
I guess this thread was definitely not the best place for Tales fans to express their opinion...sad, just sad.

It's the perfect place, but I don't see how anyone can be more excited for a Tales game over a new main Final Fantasy unless you only play action RPGs.

FF generally has more impressive tech, it's not always better other than that, if you judge the games based on tech along, then FF will win out every time for sure, in other aspects, that's not always true.

Well, sure that stuff flies here because there is a huge Tales fanbase here.

I'm willing to bet that Final Fantasy XIII will be better in every aspect.

@ forest-spirit

Team Destiny is making this? That'll be interesting as it's their first 3D console game.

@ Daz

Still fighting the good fight, eh?

that's a dangerous gamble =P since I'm a JRPG maniac and I've never liked FF combat better than Tales >=D but have always felt FF is a little more immersive because of the their tech aspect, however, if your mind is already set in stone, then there is not much to say.

Oh my mind isn't set in stone, but I don't see how it can. The best Tales game I've ever played wouldn't top my favorite 5 Final Fantasy games.

And I already said that the think that those who prefer Action RPGs will prefer ToG's combat, because it's an action RPG. I've played the Tales system before, as each game has only taken what the previous Tales game has done before and adds to it. They don't do anything innovative. They add something that enhance the system more, but the core formula has remained the same since Symphonia.

@ Daz

It was just a joke where you gave a ludicrious statement, by assuming an unlikely position.

And Tales of Vesperia was not a bad game. It takes everything from Symphonia and Abyss and improves on it.

 

you do realize that the FF13 combat system is straight from Xenogears right?

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh HELL NO. I just noticed. It is like an amp form of Xneogears's combat system. My hype for FF13 just went down BIG TIME. Nobody rips off the greatest rpg of all time.

it's not a rip off, it's made by the same company, I will kill you dood.