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No really, I think we're all in agreement, that the Wii has some great exclusives that sold fairly well, but still modestly compared to 'mega-hits', but that the casual party games (and Lego games) still stomp 'hard-core' Wii games in total sales. Heck, I have tons of casual Wii games, but also obscure hard-core ones too.

That being said, I think 2010 holds some of the biggest hits for core gamers. I think MH3 will be HUGE!



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MaxwellGT2000 said:
mjc2021 said:
@ intro94

If you want to boast about 3rd party success you should point out the games people really love on the Wii (based on sales). Raving Rabids, Game Party, Carnival Games, My Sims, High School the Musical, Deca Sports, Hannah Montana, Lego Star Wars (LEGO ANYTHING!), etc. Clearly those are the games the masses want because they sell like hot cakes on the Wii.

The sales of the games you mentioned are modest/poor compared to the numbers of those mega hits! The upcoming titles you mentioned... aren't exactly big releases. Silent Hill hasn't been a big seller in years. Overlord didn't set the charts on fire. The FF coming to the Wii isn't the one people care about. The Tales of franchise isn't that big and JRPG sales have seen a huge decline in sales compared to the past. The rest of the games you mentioned will fade into obscurity.

I'm not denying major developers will continue to support the Wii. The quality of the titles however... aren't quite at par with the HD consoles.

Edit: This helps my argument... and poops on yours.

http://www.gamesetwatch.com/2009/06/marvelous_tearyeyed_over_poor.php#more

That made me laugh.  JRPGs dont sell people don't care anymore. People want this game (FFXIII). What kind of game is it?  A JRPG!


You're putting words in my mouth. I did say JRPGs have had a decline in sales. I never said they "dont sell people don't care anymore."

None of the JRPGs on the PS3 and 360 have cracked a million and some of those were big releases. The Wii JRPGs have had abysmal sales with exception to Pokemon. FF and Pokemon are still going strong but the genre as a whole appears to be struggling outside of the DS.



mjc2021 said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
mjc2021 said:
@ intro94

If you want to boast about 3rd party success you should point out the games people really love on the Wii (based on sales). Raving Rabids, Game Party, Carnival Games, My Sims, High School the Musical, Deca Sports, Hannah Montana, Lego Star Wars (LEGO ANYTHING!), etc. Clearly those are the games the masses want because they sell like hot cakes on the Wii.

The sales of the games you mentioned are modest/poor compared to the numbers of those mega hits! The upcoming titles you mentioned... aren't exactly big releases. Silent Hill hasn't been a big seller in years. Overlord didn't set the charts on fire. The FF coming to the Wii isn't the one people care about. The Tales of franchise isn't that big and JRPG sales have seen a huge decline in sales compared to the past. The rest of the games you mentioned will fade into obscurity.

I'm not denying major developers will continue to support the Wii. The quality of the titles however... aren't quite at par with the HD consoles.

Edit: This helps my argument... and poops on yours.

http://www.gamesetwatch.com/2009/06/marvelous_tearyeyed_over_poor.php#more

That made me laugh.  JRPGs dont sell people don't care anymore. People want this game (FFXIII). What kind of game is it?  A JRPG!


You're putting words in my mouth. I did say JRPGs have had a decline in sales. I never said they "dont sell people don't care anymore."

None of the JRPGs on the PS3 and 360 have cracked a million and some of those were big releases. The Wii JRPGs have had abysmal sales with exception to Pokemon. FF and Pokemon are still going strong but the genre as a whole appears to be struggling outside of the DS.

It's more of the fact that Japan has stopped buying these series, hell a console game has yet to crack a million there, the closest thing is MGS4, which sold about as well as the previous MGS in japan but is usually outdone by JRPGs. 

http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?&results=50&name=&console=Wii&keyword=&publisher=&genre=RPG&order=Sales&boxart=Both&showdeleted=&region=Japan&alphasort=

http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=&keyword=&console=PS3&region=Japan&developer=&publisher=&genre=RPG&boxart=Both&results=50&order=Sales

http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=&keyword=&console=X360&region=Japan&developer=&publisher=&genre=RPG&boxart=Both&results=50&order=Sales

Usually all of those games would be in the millions and make up a large percent of world wide sales, pokemon btw was outsold by DQ Swords. 

My main point is that you said the genre is doing poorly and then the next sentence stating people want a game in that genre which is funny to me, the core/internet gamers want it here in the west, but that's only a small percent of the usual sales of those games, so unless Japan gets out of it's funk even the heavy hitters might do "poorly".  You stated one thing and then went back on it by saying everyone is looking forward to ____ game which might do "poorly" as well and I just find it funny is all



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Maynard_Tool said:
TripleMMM said:
Maynard_Tool said:
Nah... i dont want SFIV... give me capcom vs tatsunoko and marvel vs capcom instead x)


Don't forget about SNK vs. Capcom!!! XD

See..... i like how this guy thinks. He the man!


Wow, I'm being praised!?!? Considering the library of games I have and the quantity, I thought myself as the lowest of the low rank gamers around here... Thank you! :)

Anyway, I'm starting to bring out my cravings for fighting games. Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom is already comfirmed to hit the american continents, that's great, seeing SF4 has a light at the end of the tunnel makes it more like a bonus for us wii owners, wich is sweet! And here's hoping they put out another SNK vs. Capcom mash-up game. I heard the GCN version sucked, but I will get it! Just for the mash-up of my 2 fav fighting franchise of all time!



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Just release it on WII, please.....and halo too



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@ MaxwellGT2000


It seems that you don't realize Final Fantasy has strong sales all over the world. However, franchises like Dragon Quest and Monster Hunter depend almost entirely on Japan sales.


With that said Final Fantasy XIII should sell great even if Japan doesn't get out of its "funk." But we already know the FFXIII demo in Japan gave a big boost to PS3 consoles sales and that's a good sign the game is in big demand.





"Ho! Haha! Guard! Turn! Parry! Dodge! Spin! Ha! Thrust!" -- Daffy Duck

This made me think, it would be unimaginably cool if Nintendo released a Classic Controller Advantage modeled after the NES Advantage.

 

 

I loved that controller. It mixed the feel of arcade cabinet style controls with the feel of an NES controller. It had just the right weight and the buttons had a nice feel to them when you pressed them. Plus it had turbo knobs so you could adjust the turbo to the optimal button spam rate for the given game.

Make note of the slow button. Pressing that caused it to press start repeatedly so if you were playing a game that simply froze the screen to pause. Of course that wouldn't work if you were playing a game with a pause menu, which became extremely common fairly quickly. But it was cool for the games it worked with.

The only drawback was that using a joystick for a digital control was a bit of a step back from the D-pad at the time. But it helped the controller feel right, so that can be forgiven.



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mjc2021 said:
@ intro94

If you want to boast about 3rd party success you should point out the games people really love on the Wii (based on sales). Raving Rabids, Game Party, Carnival Games, My Sims, High School the Musical, Deca Sports, Hannah Montana, Lego Star Wars (LEGO ANYTHING!), etc. Clearly those are the games the masses want because they sell like hot cakes on the Wii.

The sales of the games you mentioned are modest/poor compared to the numbers of those mega hits! The upcoming titles you mentioned... aren't exactly big releases. Silent Hill hasn't been a big seller in years. Overlord didn't set the charts on fire. The FF coming to the Wii isn't the one people care about. The Tales of franchise isn't that big and JRPG sales have seen a huge decline in sales compared to the past. The rest of the games you mentioned will fade into obscurity.

I'm not denying major developers will continue to support the Wii. The quality of the titles however... aren't quite at par with the HD consoles.

Edit: This helps my argument... and poops on yours.

http://www.gamesetwatch.com/2009/06/marvelous_tearyeyed_over_poor.php#more

Im not boasting about success, im naming the increased support its getting .Moving big titles like SF4 means big budgets titles coming for the wii.Did it happen before?no.Is it happening now?yes.Why?because they are noticing wii is a viable market for larger projects.Big budget ones like the HD consoles. How can you see it differently?by twisting facts.Or not proofreading your news:

http://www.gamesetwatch.com/2009/06/marvelous_tearyeyed_over_poor.php#more

This is from yesterday and i found it interesting! And for the following reasons:

You didnt notice the games they are referring, nor are aware of their nature,you didnt even bother checking where the games where released!.These particular games arent either big budget, NOR WERE LAUNCHED OUTSIDE Japan!,and certainly arent mature. So thats straight destroying your theory.Little kings story bombed in Europe.But wasnt released in Japan or US yet. NMH was launched and bombed in Japan.But European and American sales ensured it sequel.Muramasa was only released in Japan, not Europe or US yet. Hell, Arc Rise fantasia was only released in Japan, and short time ago as well.Harvest moon, was only released in Japan.Basically this news is only about japanese titles not performing in Japan.And honestly, would you dare to tell me that a game like Harvest moon would sell like hotcakes in Japan if it was for PS3?

As you can see, everything this news is about, is exactly what you arent meaning.This news poops on your asumptions more than anything.

1st:is about modest budget titles.

2.Is about single country sales data.Some games bomb in some countries.Thats not a reflection of the whole industry sales.Some of the best selling PS3 hits fail in sales in Japan.Theres nothing wrong about it.

3.Are you comparing these games, with major IPS with advertisement and huge pockets?Do you think a recognized brand like Resident evil from a big developer like Capcom would sell like those?Please.

All of those games TOGETHER, had lower development costs and expenses than Bionic Commando for PS3. Any of those little games already outsold bionic commando. BC was a big budget title with over 15 million in development costs. It sold 30k so far .This is a brutal nuclear bomb,this means huge losses and thats way more concerning(for Capcom) than a few niche titles with minimal budget (marvelous)not performing well in Japan . Certainly i could ensure you, theres not gonna be a sequel for that game, at least not in the HD consoles.Or you will argue that?Thats just the more recent example, is also around 2 days ago.Bombing in HD consoles with big budgets its catastrophic.Not such disgraces have occurred on the wii.Not saying it couldnt happen! But at least it hasnt yet

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2009/06/16/bionic-commando-bombs-at-retail/

this is a much more serious issue.

Also ,dont equate expenses and budget directly with quality.Quality can be achieved with moderate budgets. Big budgets can turn poor quality products.Like movies with big budgets for special effects being crappy and moderate movies or even low budgets having much higher quality(and profits too).

 

Now then ,on your other statement, about SH and other not so big titles, sure there some truth in that. The titles aren particularly huge, but are respectable.However, Namco also recently expressed their willingness to produce a wii exclusive Tekken if they receive fan support to make it.Add Capcoms recent increased interest in the console, and you got some momentum going for it.With games as RE5 or Tekken i think those could be big worldwide famous budget titles moved to a single console market that didnt happen before.DQX and MH3 are also understandeable, big budgets, but for japan for sales, i get your point.But capcom and satoru iwata(president of nintendo) stated they will make sure the franchises get their boost in NA.They will heavily spend on advertisement on it. 3rd party names ,that are bigger than anything before.If you cant see that as a big improvement rather than "Keeping it up", i dont know what else to tell you.

Also games like Naruto CON 3,with previous sales of 800k wont exactly fade into obscurity.

 

 

 



@ intro94


You sound like PS3 owners when the console first came out. "Just wait, great games will come out." The only difference is PS3 eventually got great games. But for the Wii, we can expect some low budget Japanese games that will hopefully sell at least 100K copies worldwide.


Instead of boasting about the great things that may potentially come to the Wii lets just wait and see what happens.


And yes, Naruto CON will fade into obscurity. Cooking Mama sold over a million with probably a fraction of the budget. Now that's a hit!!!!!