Avinash_Tyagi said:
Yeah, but its ok, it was on a nintendo system first |
Actually it wasn't There was a motion controller of sorts for a console before the nes to my knowledge.
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Staude said:
Actually it wasn't There was a motion controller of sorts for a console before the nes to my knowledge. |
Which one?
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Avinash_Tyagi said:
Which one? |
I think it was magna vortex or something. I have no idea what it's called. Just that it's something like that.
Oh and before that one we have lightguns in arcades.. which are also motion controls :p
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This amuses me. Seeing ms desperatly trying to do things the Nintendo-way is really amusing.
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Staude said: I think it was magna vortex or something. I have no idea what it's called. Just that it's something like that.
Oh and before that one we have lightguns in arcades.. which are also motion controls :p |
Bastard child of Magnavox Odyssey and Vectrex? Can't remember any motion-detecting controllers.
Light guns are unable to detect motion, you're referring to positional guns.
NightstrikerX said:
Ok, I normally avoid these kinds of threads because of the excessive amount of fanboyism that surrounds it. It literally brings forth a headache. But the statement in red is such a huge classic case of cherry picking it can't be helped. To attempt to insert some logic behind this otherwised completely cherrypicked arguement. Let's break down the numbers.
Total = 252.3 million. Approx. Wait... You said sony sold 320 million consoles. Something doesn't add up here. Let's throw this in for good measure.
Total 307.3 million (Approx). That seems more likely. Only 13 million off from your estamate. But I thought it was consoles only? Does this mean you consider the PSP. The Sony handheld device to be a console? Yet do not agree that the gameboy, GBA, and DS are consoles? Something is flawed with your math. Another thing I have to point out is that you seem to exclude the GB because it was placed before the Playstation. Are nintendo systems that were around before a playstation system exempt from your example? Let's take a look.
Total = 115 Mil (Approx) You also said you included GBA and the DS. So we'll throw them into the pot and add em up as well.
Total = 181 million Handhelds + Consoles = 296 million. Well, your off by 16. Not bad. So far so good. Problem lies that you did infact forget to include the previous nintendo systems. Gameboy, Nintendo and Super Nintendo. Which does count because let's be honest here, nintendo did make them. Nintendo was in the console race since the 3rd generation. Nintendo has without a doubt established some of the foundations to all of gaming as we know it today. So let's throw them as well.
Total = 228 Million (Approx) Total Nintendo Console Sales = 524 million My math turned out a little different from yours. Your math works, yes. IF you include the PSP as a CONSOLE with the PS1, PS2, and PS3. And if you EXCLUDE the NES, SNES, and GB. Thus, a classic example of cherrypicking. And if anyone begins to debate me on this last 15 years stuff. Why? Why is it fair to only include the generations sony was a major part of? Nintendo was a HUGE part of the 3rd and 4th generations of video gaming. It was some of their best years. So you exclude their best years in favor of Sony's best years? No way. If you're gonna have a debate between sony and nintendo selling more. Debate the whole history. Not just a small chunk of it. Because dispite what sony has done for the home console business. And I respect that, 2 consoles selling more than 100 million units each? Amazing. But Remember what nintendo did first. Sony > Nintendo in Home consoles
Nintendo > Sony in handheld systems Nintendo > Sony overall sales.
Overall, you are right in your way. Sony does have the highest sales in the last 15 years. But I still call cherry picking because you're taking the best from sony and excluding the best from nintendo. |
I made mistake about counting Sony consoles. They sold about 310 million consoles. i checked on wikipedia And i didnt compared SNES,NES and GB because they were launched before 1995. I never said Sony sold most consoles overall i just said they sold most consoles in last 15 years. That was my point in first place. That's why i only included N64, GC,Wii,GBA and DS.Its not my fault Sony won those 2 gens And I DID included GBA and DS sales just like i INCLUDED PSP sales.
''And if anyone begins to debate me on this last 15 years stuff.Why?'' Because that was my point in first place.
''Why is it fair to only include the generations sony was a major part of?'' I also included this generation, you know.
''But i still call it cherry picking because you're taking the best from Sony and excluding the best from Nintendo'' Its not my fault Nintendo lost 2 generations and correct me if i am wrong but aren't DS and Wii fastest selling Nintendo systems?
| BladeOfGod said: I made mistake about counting Sony consoles. They sold about 310 million consoles. i checked on wikipedia And i didnt compared SNES,NES and GB because they were launched before 1995. I never said Sony sold most consoles overall i just said they sold most consoles in last 15 years. That was my point in first place. That's why i only included N64, GC,Wii,GBA and DS.Its not my fault Sony won those 2 gens And I DID included GBA and DS sales just like i INCLUDED PSP sales.
''And if anyone begins to debate me on this last 15 years stuff.Why?'' Because that was my point in first place. ''Why is it fair to only include the generations sony was a major part of?'' I also included this generation, you know. ''But i still call it cherry picking because you're taking the best from Sony and excluding the best from Nintendo'' Its not my fault Nintendo lost 2 generations and correct me if i am wrong but aren't DS and Wii fastest selling Nintendo systems? |
More cherry picking, just because a system was releasted before 1994 does not mean it didn't sell any units after 1994. Again, I don't know, but I have a feeling a few Game Boys where sold in your magical 15 year timespan. Same with the SNES. Anyways, you're the one who said sales doesn't matter when discussing what company is the best. I have said a few times, go look at the games database, videogaming is all about the games afterall, and see if you can see a trend. Look for games that have driven the industry forward, have made a huge cultural impact, is known by everyone etc. As I said before, as some point you have to look at the facts. Arguing an opinion that has no base in the facts is pretty futile.
Alright here is my analysis of the three companies!
Nintendo - A leading company always wants to be on top. They develope everything internally and rely soully on their creative minds like Miyamoto. The GameBoy:Camera came out before the EyeToy , Tilt controls created for the GameBoy Colour, Wiimote's , rumble. It all came from inside Nintendo.
Microsoft - Sees potential and acquires it. When Microsoft sees a competitor is doing as good or better then them they aquire the competitor. If they see some new peice of technology they buy it up, a developer thats doing exceptionally well at a competitor, they purchase said developer. Microsoft saw the console wars and bought themselves a team to make the X-Box of course after trying to aquire Nintendo. They saw Rare's success and bought them up from under Nintendo. They saw Natal technology was promising so they bought the developer.
Sony - Sony is the Monkey See Monkey Do of the industry. They are almost always one step behind technology wise. They saw The GameBoy:Camera and boom Eye Toy is born. They saw 8 axis tilt control on the GBC and boom PS3 has tilt control. They see a wand used to make games more immersive in a 3D enviroment and boom they have a Wiimote.
Of these companies one is creative (Nintendo) , one sees creative potential and ceases it (Microsoft) and one mimic's creativity (Sony)!
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Staude said:
I think it was magna vortex or something. I have no idea what it's called. Just that it's something like that.
Oh and before that one we have lightguns in arcades.. which are also motion controls :p |
Your talking about the Magnavox Oddessy, it was one of the pioneer consoles for the light gun. They had a rifle like gun used in some games. I guess if your talking light gun then you can't argue that Magnavox and Nintendo (Arcades) had the light gun first. But that was not any kind of motion controller, like the PowerGlove or later the Wiimote!
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"In God We Trust - In Games We Play " - Joel Reimer
Bong Lover said:
More cherry picking, just because a system was releasted before 1994 does not mean it didn't sell any units after 1994. Again, I don't know, but I have a feeling a few Game Boys where sold in your magical 15 year timespan. Same with the SNES. Anyways, you're the one who said sales doesn't matter when discussing what company is the best. I have said a few times, go look at the games database, videogaming is all about the games afterall, and see if you can see a trend. Look for games that have driven the industry forward, have made a huge cultural impact, is known by everyone etc. As I said before, as some point you have to look at the facts. Arguing an opinion that has no base in the facts is pretty futile. |
Ok lets say SNES and GameBoy Sold 5 millions each after 1995 (still impossible, but whatever) they stll sold 290 million consoles which is less than Sony's numbers.
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