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Alterego-X said:

See, there is not neccessarily a clever corporation behind the event, disruption just happens "naturally", when an innovation catches the custumers with the lowest interest, and it naturally starts evolving.  In our case, it is not just Nintendo disrupting the others, it is the combination of the Wiimote, and possibly their more accessible game design, disrupting the HD blockbusters with their huge budgets, and the classic controller. 

What we saw is the earliest form of motion controls, that might be inferior in case of some upmarket genres, not unlike the first muskets, that were inferior in precise aiming for some time.

In theory, the industry could be disrupted without hurting the other companies, if they would adopt to the disruptive innovation on the 0th day. 

In reality, this is unlikely, because when the disruptor company's dominance in the downmarket becomes obvious, it is already too late for the incumbrent to go downmarket, because the downmarket became a red ocean, where the disruptor is on "home ground". When the disruptor moves upmarket, on the other hand, they have a more profitable strategy, more advanced technology, than the incumbrent. 

 

The HD consoles motion controls are good examples of a counterattack somewhere between the downmarket and the upmarket, (middlemarket?), where they will fail because for them, it is just one of the possibilities to move there, while it is a natural process for the disruptor to go upmarket.

If every executive, and even the inverstors of the incrumbents would be visionaries, they could fight for that market, build a huge software lineup for their motion controllers, and bleed money until it will be a red ocean and Nintendo leaves it, but likely they won't.

Theres a significant difference between an Ipod example and a console example. In the Ipod case, Apple took control of essentially the entire market of people who wanted portable music players with very few non adopters left (saturation). With the Wii on the other hand, Nintendo controls something like 50% of the home console market for sold consoles, but less than a fifth of the potential market for consoles. This is the significant difference between the Wii case and say an Ipod case where the competition was completely shut out. With the former the competition can and will mount a counter attack because Nintendo simply has not locked up control of the market. The Wii as it exists cannot satisfy everyone in the market at once, the Wii M+ still cannot satisfy everyone at once.

We will see the results of the counter attack coming in 2010. To say at this point that they are destined to fail would mean that you would have to ignore the market dynamics. Neither Microsoft or Sony appear to be following a strategy of targetting consumers Nintendo has already won over. They are targetting areas of discourse between their relative market positions. This next stage isn't about trying to take Nintendo on directly, its to establish a beachhead for the respective interface technologies and from that position compete for the entirety of the market.

As an analogy, if you think of this as a game of Civilization. Sony would be targeting new highly productive cities towards the core between their civilisations and Microsoft would be targeting the sparsely populated, undeveloped and wide open expansion cities towards the rear.



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Gamerace said:
Consider this. All the so called experts have been saying since launch that Nintendo would be forced to come out with Wii HD before this generation ends to remain competitive.

In fact, the very reverse has happened. Instead of Nintendo needing to compensate for their competition's strength - HD graphics, the competition has been forced to try to emulate Nintendo's strength - motion control.

The motion control that Sony and MS have shown - while impressive - does not suit the games that those systems specialize in. They may get a port of Boom Blox and motion controled Grand Slam & Tiger Woods (once they have enough of a base to justify EA spending extra $$ to support the motion control) and possibly a motion controled GT5 / Forza 3. But neither would work in the FPS/TPS/Action genres that they now dominate do to lack of an analog stick or alternative for movement. Both will be extremely late to the game with flimsy support for thier motion control devices.

So it's not going to hurt Nintendo any.

On the flip side, if Nintendo did come out with a Wii HD now, you could expect every single 3rd party HD game to immediately be on it with full WiiMotion + support, IR support, etc. And it would not only be comparible to PS3/360 gameplay-wise but would control much better. Plus it would be fully compatible with all Wii games and I'd expect they'd continue to sell the Wii as well at a lower price point. That 1-2 combo ($250 Wii HD, $150 Wii) would be a crushing blow to MS and especially Sony who still hasn't even achieved profitability. Plus it would totally negate any hope of Sony returning to dominance with a $300 PS3.

However, I'm not sure Nintendo will do this. They have never specialized in those genres anyway and their profit margins are greatly improved without HD development costs. Plus they've already won this generations without HD so they don't need to. But if they do decide to take the fight upstream, their competition should be very, very worried.


actually that is a DAMN good post i agree with it. However I agree with you that nintendo will not release the Wii HD this gen. It wont help their profitibility at all and thus is not in their interest.



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I don't know how old this thread is but how come I haven't seen it before!?

I recently read 'The Innovators Dilemma' by CM Christensen and it's amazing looking back on this generation, and how it's unfolding and seeing how everything is going exactly according to plan. When Nintendo said they wanted to make motion controls the new standard, they were basically telling everybody what their strategy was for the Wii. They wanted to battle Sony and Microsoft, not in hardware and graphics capabilities but in values.

Basically if Nintendo could establish a new set of values and move upstream to the xbox/playstation audience, then Sony and Microsoft would have no choice but to defend with these new values. The problem is that these companies are set in their ways and their motion controls, their answer to the Wii, will not fit with the values of the Wii. Nintendo already has 3+ years of working with motion controls and are still trying to get things right (see Wii Music). Nintendo have begun moving upstream with the launch of Wii MotionPlus. They need to ensure it is heavily supported with all kinds of titles in every genre to continue the move upstream successfully.

Nintendo are ready to fight Sony and Microsoft in the motion control arena, a fight that they can win.



 

Onyxmeth said:

Welcome to 2006.

lol this.



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puffy said:
I don't know how old this thread is but how come I haven't seen it before!?

I recently read 'The Innovators Dilemma' by CM Christensen and it's amazing looking back on this generation, and how it's unfolding and seeing how everything is going exactly according to plan. When Nintendo said they wanted to make motion controls the new standard, they were basically telling everybody what their strategy was for the Wii. They wanted to battle Sony and Microsoft, not in hardware and graphics capabilities but in values.

Basically if Nintendo could establish a new set of values and move upstream to the xbox/playstation audience, then Sony and Microsoft would have no choice but to defend with these new values. The problem is that these companies are set in their ways and their motion controls, their answer to the Wii, will not fit with the values of the Wii. Nintendo already has 3+ years of working with motion controls and are still trying to get things right (see Wii Music). Nintendo have begun moving upstream with the launch of Wii MotionPlus. They need to ensure it is heavily supported with all kinds of titles in every genre to continue the move upstream successfully.

Nintendo are ready to fight Sony and Microsoft in the motion control arena, a fight that they can win.

This too... Ok i agree with you puffy that since nintendo have  experince in the motion control area where they are becoming more and more successful..But the question really is that are MS and Sony ready to go into that era of motion controllers just yet? will third parties support them as much as they supported nintendo also what will they think of Natal. Developers are going to have to find new things to do with natal like how are people going to turn run or walk in the game..it will be diffcult at the beginnning so will some developers just give up annd keep working on the wii..also what will developers do with sony's motion control? will they make similar games like wii or will they make completely different games?

this is what i suspect will happen. As for natal developers are gonna have a hard time in the beginning and push out some crappy games...people will get bored and hardcore gamers will still be complaining if microsoft chooses not to support the traditional controller. with that said, sony's motion controller is very similar to that of nintendo's and both have 1:1 (nintendo has proven it) so will developers just take games like wii sports and make those  types of games. Yes thats what most likely will happen because seeing the success of wii series developers will do something similar while some big creative developers wanting a challenge will make a new type of game..What i think will also happen is that then those new games on the ps3 will start to come on the wii more rather than the ps3 and successful games on the wii will go to the ps3...

 

so basically i think that just like how peoplee say that 360 and ps3 are similar and wii is different than people will say that ps3 and the wii are similar in terms of games...while 360 will become the more different one after natal and sony's motion controller comes out..



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puffy said:
Nintendo are ready to fight Sony and Microsoft in the motion control arena, a fight that they can win.

Indeed.

As Montecuccoli said: "For war, you need three things: Money, Money and Money."

 

Some people tend to forget, how Nintendo has all three of these, while the (technically bigger) companies game divisions are in survival mode, after losing several billion dollars. If Nintendo would feel threatened in their current market, they could even spend huge amounts on paying for 3rd party exclusives, or buying some big 3rd parties as a last resort. They could cut their price to 100$ and maybe still be profitable. They could sell their biggest software hits for $10, and still make profit with them. 

While, if the other two would lose  a single billion on motion controllers, in the current situation the most likely wouldn't take the risk, and return to their traditional, profitable games.



if one more time someone calls Project Natal a motion controller I'm going to reach through your IP and choke you



What a great thread. And it seems that there are a lot of people who understand disruption very well (i only know a little about it).

The only reason i think both Mcrosofts and Sony's counter atack will not work is because, what was known as thier strengths right now will become thier weakness in the mosion control/body control (what ever you want to call it) arena.

And that is mainly third parties. Nintendo have made thier wii succesfull almost through nothing but thier first party software alone. Last Gen not having third parties seemed to be a weaknes but in this new battleground nintendo have forged, it has turned to thier strength. Do Sony or microsoft have the strong first party developers to create games for thier new control mechanisms that will make the average person want to pick up thier systems. I personally doubt it. And if thats the case then they will have to depend on the third parties, which will be a huge weakness.

I say a huge weaknes because it seems anything that may put third parties out of thier comfort zone they want no part of. The way they have shunned the Wii proves this. It doesn't matter what they say about the little machine its clear to me that they really can not think of any creative ideas to bring forward, or rather are too afraid, and we are talking about a motion control device with buttons and and anologue attatchment. What chance do they have against NATAL!!



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Gamerace said:
Consider this. All the so called experts have been saying since launch that Nintendo would be forced to come out with Wii HD before this generation ends to remain competitive.

In fact, the very reverse has happened. Instead of Nintendo needing to compensate for their competition's strength - HD graphics, the competition has been forced to try to emulate Nintendo's strength - motion control.

The motion control that Sony and MS have shown - while impressive - does not suit the games that those systems specialize in. They may get a port of Boom Blox and motion controled Grand Slam & Tiger Woods (once they have enough of a base to justify EA spending extra $$ to support the motion control) and possibly a motion controled GT5 / Forza 3. But neither would work in the FPS/TPS/Action genres that they now dominate do to lack of an analog stick or alternative for movement. Both will be extremely late to the game with flimsy support for thier motion control devices.

So it's not going to hurt Nintendo any.

On the flip side, if Nintendo did come out with a Wii HD now, you could expect every single 3rd party HD game to immediately be on it with full WiiMotion + support, IR support, etc. And it would not only be comparible to PS3/360 gameplay-wise but would control much better. Plus it would be fully compatible with all Wii games and I'd expect they'd continue to sell the Wii as well at a lower price point. That 1-2 combo ($250 Wii HD, $150 Wii) would be a crushing blow to MS and especially Sony who still hasn't even achieved profitability. Plus it would totally negate any hope of Sony returning to dominance with a $300 PS3.

However, I'm not sure Nintendo will do this. They have never specialized in those genres anyway and their profit margins are greatly improved without HD development costs. Plus they've already won this generations without HD so they don't need to. But if they do decide to take the fight upstream, their competition should be very, very worried.


actually that is a DAMN good post i agree with it. However I agree with you that nintendo will not release the Wii HD this gen. It wont help their profitibility at all and thus is not in their interest.

OMG one word for that post: amazing actually one more word: accurate

 

Thats the most detailed and accurate post i have ever seen on vgchartz....only been here since july beginning!

nice Gamerace i am gonna add you to friends list!



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