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friedtofu said:
In a year or two, I dont think the Wii is going to be the main console to beat. Its going to be the growing PS3 threat that the 360 will be defending against.

My thinking is this...
-eventually the Wii popularity will wane, as the uniqueness of the controller wears off, and people no longer overlook the weaker graphics. The graphical HD eye candy offered by the PS360 duo will just get better, and the technology gap will be more apparent. I believe people will eventually want more of this and the war will eventually shift focus to the more powerful consoles.

-the PS3 will "wake up" and its userbase will grow like crazy (World Wide). This will be triggered by the release of heavy hitting titles AND lower prices. It might take a while but this is inevitable.

-The 360 will have a formidable foundation to fend off this offensive (more than the Xbox1 could have ever dreamed of), but it will be interesting to see how well it does against the Sony onslaught. Of course it will probably match Sonys moves with its own big releases and price cuts.

Just my opinion. No need for flamethrowers Nintendo peeps :) Save this post for a possible crow eating I guess!

Flamethrower ready, sir!!

Seriously, I just want to say, the old, "people will get tired of motion control, and start caring about graphics, and PS3 will come back" argument has been argued and (I believe) successfully disproven many times before. Momentum, third parties, Wii doesn't stand still, yadda yadda, we (should) all know the reasons why this scenario isn't likely.

The best argument, the only one that's hard to disprove, is that people will tire of motion controls. But it's an impossible assumption to argue because there's not much to compare it to. The closest thing to an existing example is DS, and nobody's tired of that yet.



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@ friedtofu

I can see how you would come to the first part of your theory based on the tech gap between the three systems. However, you seem to ignore history in your logic. Nearly every 'winner' of the generation was not the most powerful system. Basically that extra power didn't really matter. As devs start to focus on the system with the largest user base, the games are all tailored for that system. Thus, what may actually happen, is games will be made on Wii first. Then ported to 360/ps3. Thus, the extra power is null and void as the difference in games will be minimal.

Right now, many wii 3rd party games are being built on Ps2 engines due to its large userbase and the devs are only creating new engines on the 360. As xmas passes and 2008 progresses we will see Wii's userbase expand further. This will resource shift will then solidify around the Wii, just as it did the PS2 last gen.

Basically, unless this holiday shows a major advance for either ps3 and/or 360 over the wii, the wii will have won and will get the king's share of all 3rd party support. Granted, only kicker would be MS's money and buying exclusives.



I just picked up Halo 3 today and exchanged my broken 360 for an Elite. Hopefully the Elite lasts longer than my last 360. I am also thinking of getting the HD-DVD drive in mid-October along with Transformers. I'm just wondering, does anyone else get dizzy from playing Metroid and Halo? I can only handle these games for about an hour before I have to stop. Gears seems fine though. I hope Galaxy doesn't give me motion sickness cause I plan to get that in November.



 

 

TheBigFatJ said:
friedtofu said:
In a year or two, I dont think the Wii is going to be the main console to beat. Its going to be the growing PS3 threat that the 360 will be defending against.

My thinking is this...
-eventually the Wii popularity will wane, as the uniqueness of the controller wears off, and people no longer overlook the weaker graphics. The graphical HD eye candy offered by the PS360 duo will just get better, and the technology gap will be more apparent. I believe people will eventually want more of this and the war will eventually shift focus to the more powerful consoles.

-the PS3 will "wake up" and its userbase will grow like crazy (World Wide). This will be triggered by the release of heavy hitting titles AND lower prices. It might take a while but this is inevitable.

-The 360 will have a formidable foundation to fend off this offensive (more than the Xbox1 could have ever dreamed of), but it will be interesting to see how well it does against the Sony onslaught. Of course it will probably match Sonys moves with its own big releases and price cuts.

Just my opinion. No need for flamethrowers Nintendo peeps :) Save this post for a possible crow eating I guess!

You do realize that the super-majority (2/3rds) of Xbox 360 owners aren't aware that it's an HD console according to a recent Neilson survey, right? So people will gladly put up with the graphics two, there or five years down the line. For many people the shinyness doesn't matter that much -- the xbox 360 owners are much more likely to know its featureset and how it compares to other consoles than general public.

The idea that the Wii will somehow become less impressive graphically relative to the other consoles as time goes on and this will kill its popularity is silly. If anything, the Wii's title list will expand faster the the other consoles, more quirky/interesting independent and risky games will be released (due to the significantly lower cost), and it will become more popular.

By your reasoning, the PSP would have become more popular relative to the DS instead of the opposite happening. And the original Xbox would've become more popular compared to the PS2 instead of the opposite happening. There's no evidence of this.

There's no reason not to suspect that the Wii will be #1 in the US "in a year or two".


Oh BigfatJ. Youre silly and you make laugh. Yah the "super-majority" is a term that makes you sound intelligent. Also, there is no "idea that it will become less impressive graphically", it already IS less impressive. You should try to make sense sometimes instead of writing such "silly" replies. As time goes on HD will get more adopted, so yah right now it might not be a big deal to people bla bla bla but this can change. 

I dont know if history applies the same here. This is the first time a next gen console was released with last gen hardware. Id say the technology gap is greater than before wouldnt you? I mean, especially comparing the Wii to the PS3? 

Anyways,  only time will tell. Like I said, Im ready to eat crow. Lets revisit this "In a year or two". This is by no means a put down to the Wii, I plan on adding myself to the already 11 million sold. But I think its longevity isnt what everyone thinks it will be.

 



PS360 ftw!

Currently playing..........

Gears of War 2, GTA IV Lost and Damned, Little Big Planet (Yes I said I had no interest but my girl wanted to try it and we did and now Im hooked )

 

 

superchunk said:
@ friedtofu

I can see how you would come to the first part of your theory based on the tech gap between the three systems. However, you seem to ignore history in your logic. Nearly every 'winner' of the generation was not the most powerful system. Basically that extra power didn't really matter. As devs start to focus on the system with the largest user base, the games are all tailored for that system. Thus, what may actually happen, is games will be made on Wii first. Then ported to 360/ps3. Thus, the extra power is null and void as the difference in games will be minimal.

Right now, many wii 3rd party games are being built on Ps2 engines due to its large userbase and the devs are only creating new engines on the 360. As xmas passes and 2008 progresses we will see Wii's userbase expand further. This will resource shift will then solidify around the Wii, just as it did the PS2 last gen.

Basically, unless this holiday shows a major advance for either ps3 and/or 360 over the wii, the wii will have won and will get the king's share of all 3rd party support. Granted, only kicker would be MS's money and buying exclusives.

I know, if anything Ive always been a believer in "the most powerful system wont necessarily come out first". But for some reason,

it just seems like this time around, the Wii will lose alot of its appeal over time. As time passes, and as more and more gamers become multiplatform owners, the majority of the big blockbuster titles will be on the PS360 platforms. I just feel that the more powerful hardware is more appealing in this generations long haul.

What about this, alot of debate has gone on about the 360/PS3 battle in 08. That the PS3 will finally have a year of games worthy of its name and that the 360 will likely lose some ground to this impending lineup.  Well, it seems that the Wii hasnt been factored into this equation too much, having been already relegated to "it won" status. But doesnt it have the most to lose, especially in Japan? 

Good discussion though. 



PS360 ftw!

Currently playing..........

Gears of War 2, GTA IV Lost and Damned, Little Big Planet (Yes I said I had no interest but my girl wanted to try it and we did and now Im hooked )

 

 

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Wii will completely outsell competition because everyone and their grandma wants one, can we honestly say that about the PS3 and 360? I think not. If 360 sales would have skyrocketed for Halo 3 it would have happened before launch. My store sold almost as many PS3s, probably because we still have (or maybe it's had now) some 60GB models, as 360s last week. Most people who want a 360 for Halo 3 bought theirs a long time ago, at least that's the case for people in my city.



Quick question for those that think Mario Galaxy is going to suddenly boost Wii sales...

If the Wii pretty much already sells out every month, how are these sales going to increase dramatically? Plus, I'm willing to bet that more people held off on getting a 360 until Halo 3 was released than people holding off on getting a Wii until Galaxy.

Most of Nintendos fan base that would buy a console for one game, already have it, or have been trying to find one. The only way the Wii will see a significant increase in sales would be for Nintendo to increase the supply. I don't see the big N doing that and risk a supply constraint over the holidays.

360 may not win the hardware war, but they are winning the software war. Primarily because 360 owners have more disposable income. They are older, have jobs and most importantly finish a game and move on to another one. From what I am seeing with Wii owners (I shouldn't call them owners really, mainly because they are parents purchasing them for their kids) is that they are content playing the same game over and over again. Hell my kid loves Mario Party 8, he would be happy if that was the only game he had (of course I hate the damn game so I have to keep some variety around for him...Carnival Games...more crap, but he loves it too).

I have yet to find a Wii game that can hold my interest for more than a couple hours. Sure, it is great for family and my kid's friends, but other than that it is pretty meh. My kid even prefers watching me play Blue Dragon to anything on the Wii.

(It probably doesn't help that the Wii is delegated to the 27" tube TV in "the other" room whilst the 360 gets the 51" HDTV)



h2dk said:
Quick question for those that think Mario Galaxy is going to suddenly boost Wii sales...

If the Wii pretty much already sells out every month, how are these sales going to increase dramatically? Plus, I'm willing to bet that more people held off on getting a 360 until Halo 3 was released than people holding off on getting a Wii until Galaxy.

Most of Nintendos fan base that would buy a console for one game, already have it, or have been trying to find one. The only way the Wii will see a significant increase in sales would be for Nintendo to increase the supply. I don't see the big N doing that and risk a supply constraint over the holidays.

360 may not win the hardware war, but they are winning the software war. Primarily because 360 owners have more disposable income. They are older, have jobs and most importantly finish a game and move on to another one. From what I am seeing with Wii owners (I shouldn't call them owners really, mainly because they are parents purchasing them for their kids) is that they are content playing the same game over and over again. Hell my kid loves Mario Party 8, he would be happy if that was the only game he had (of course I hate the damn game so I have to keep some variety around for him...Carnival Games...more crap, but he loves it too).

I have yet to find a Wii game that can hold my interest for more than a couple hours. Sure, it is great for family and my kid's friends, but other than that it is pretty meh. My kid even prefers watching me play Blue Dragon to anything on the Wii.

(It probably doesn't help that the Wii is delegated to the 27" tube TV in "the other" room whilst the 360 gets the 51" HDTV)

 

Do you have any links to back up your unfounded generalizations based on your own personal bias'?

 

 



h2dk said:
Quick question for those that think Mario Galaxy is going to suddenly boost Wii sales...

If the Wii pretty much already sells out every month, how are these sales going to increase dramatically? Plus, I'm willing to bet that more people held off on getting a 360 until Halo 3 was released than people holding off on getting a Wii until Galaxy.

Most of Nintendos fan base that would buy a console for one game, already have it, or have been trying to find one. The only way the Wii will see a significant increase in sales would be for Nintendo to increase the supply. I don't see the big N doing that and risk a supply constraint over the holidays.

360 may not win the hardware war, but they are winning the software war. Primarily because 360 owners have more disposable income. They are older, have jobs and most importantly finish a game and move on to another one. From what I am seeing with Wii owners (I shouldn't call them owners really, mainly because they are parents purchasing them for their kids) is that they are content playing the same game over and over again. Hell my kid loves Mario Party 8, he would be happy if that was the only game he had (of course I hate the damn game so I have to keep some variety around for him...Carnival Games...more crap, but he loves it too).

I have yet to find a Wii game that can hold my interest for more than a couple hours. Sure, it is great for family and my kid's friends, but other than that it is pretty meh. My kid even prefers watching me play Blue Dragon to anything on the Wii.

(It probably doesn't help that the Wii is delegated to the 27" tube TV in "the other" room whilst the 360 gets the 51" HDTV)

 lol, exactly zero of what you just told is correct.



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Imyourvillain said:
..... Most people who want a 360 for Halo 3 bought theirs a long time ago, at least that's the case for people in my city.

Perhaps just the people that shop at your store.  Unless you live in a podunk town (since you called it a city, I doubt that to be the case) it would be difficult to generalize the whole population based on your store. 

I know one other person that owned a 360 prior to this month...now I know 12.  (My age puts me in a different demographic, for example I only know 3 Wii owners counting myself and zero PS3 owners)