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Alby_da_Wolf on 31 May 2009
jcp234 said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
jcp234 said:
BladeOfGod said:
The worst selling Sony console is selling better than worst selling Nintendo console :)


I am sure investors will be more concerned with profit, rather than the number of consoles sold.

I'm not really sure how this comparison is even relevant. The PS3 is selling more but probably losing even more money compared to the Gamecube, which probably loss close to nothing if anything.

 

Except for Nintendo, all other competitors always sold HW at a loss for at least two years, to make 2 and 1/2 or even 3 years initial HW losses acceptable Sony must stick with a long lifecycle plan (that doesn't mean not releasing PS4, in its later years PS3 can still exist as entry level console, just as PS2 did and is still doing).

 

LOL I am very much aware of this. But I am sure the intent of this topic was to somehow credit the PS3 with some achievement and discredit the Gamecube. Which I think is pretty pretentious considering the Gamecube cycle will more than likely be more profitable than the PS3 cycle, which is what investors care about. Investors do not care if selling hardware at a loss is the traditional business strategy for the industry, but they do care about profit. I just find it funny that the grounds of this topic is a console taking massive losses selling better than a console that actually made money. But I guess there really isn't much logic to Sony fanboy syndrome.

And I do not think it is appropriate to compare the PS2 with the PS3. The PS3 will never be what the PS2 is.

Reasonable. And although doing most things right from now on I think PS3 could end up doing more profits than GC as absolute value, I'm quite sure the profits/investments ratio will still be an awful lot better for GC. GC, despite ending 3rd, profited enough to keep Nintendo not only alive, but healthy too, and this also paying in advance Wii's development. But maybe OP went over-the-top to joke about similar previous threads...  

Edit: silly me about thinking OP was deliberately excessive, I had forgotten who started the thread!    



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BladeOfGod on 31 May 2009
jcp234 said:
BladeOfGod said:
jcp234 said:
BladeOfGod said:
The worst selling Sony console is selling better than worst selling Nintendo console :)


I am sure investors will be more concerned with profit, rather than the number of consoles sold.

I'm not really sure how this comparison is even relevant. The PS3 is selling more but probably losing even more money compared to the Gamecube, which probably loss close to nothing if anything.


PS3 still has 7 years to go ( according to Sony ) so it can still make all the profit GC did,(maybe even more )


So, you believe in the end, the PS3 will make enough profit to net the losses it has made in the past and it is going to make this year and probably next year? Enough so, to equal the profits of the gamecube?

Maybe you should honestly consider the type of market conditions needed to achieve that kind of performance in seven years. Just does not sound very logical, but then again...a lot of things within this thread do not.

Not so sure about equaling profits GC made but i am sure it will make enough to cover all losses it made



BladeOfGod on 31 May 2009
CrazzyMan said:
LoLz, i thought, This was a SALES thread, not PROFIT thread. =))
Not to mention, that Nintendo during GC was profitable thnx to GBA and DS sales. =)

GC had highest rated exclusive games? So, WHAT? High rated =/= better game, the media today is biased.
What GC games were better than:

Uncharted
Ninja Gaiden Sigma
Ratchet & Clank
Valkyria Chronicles
Metal Gear Solid 4
Killzone 2
Motorstorm:Pacific Rift
Naruto:Ultimate Ninja Storm
Gran Turismo 5 Prologue
Warhawk
New Siren game
Demon`s Soul
inFAMOUS

PS3 today has a LOT of REALLY amazing exclusive games today and MUCH more GREAT games incoming.

Sony Gaming Division lost 2,5 bln. since PS3 release in 2,5 years? How much PROFIT it made on blu-ray sales? How much it will make in next 5 years?
Anyway, this thread is not about profit it`s about SALES. AND i always thought, VGC site was also about SALES. =))

So far, PS3 is selling MUCH better, than GC at it`s price.
AND don`t worry people, Sony will drop price for PS3 soon or later. PS3 is a MUST HAVE console this gen and WILL pass 100 mln. in any case. =)


Everything ws right about this post exept the lines i striked trought



Alby_da_Wolf on 31 May 2009
jcp234 said:
BladeOfGod said:
jcp234 said:
BladeOfGod said:
The worst selling Sony console is selling better than worst selling Nintendo console :)


I am sure investors will be more concerned with profit, rather than the number of consoles sold.

I'm not really sure how this comparison is even relevant. The PS3 is selling more but probably losing even more money compared to the Gamecube, which probably loss close to nothing if anything.


PS3 still has 7 years to go ( according to Sony ) so it can still make all the profit GC did,(maybe even more )


So, you believe in the end, the PS3 will make enough profit to net the losses it has made in the past and it is going to make this year and probably next year? Enough so, to equal the profits of the gamecube?

Maybe you should honestly consider the type of market conditions needed to achieve that kind of performance in seven years. Just does not sound very logical, but then again...a lot of things within this thread do not.

Total WW market is growing, despite the crisis: suffice to say that this gen Wii will be most probably able to exceed total PS2 sales even with only ~50% market share.



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jcp234 on 31 May 2009
CrazzyMan said:
LoLz, i thought, This was a SALES thread, not PROFIT thread. =))
Not to mention, that Nintendo during GC was profitable thnx to GBA and DS sales. =)

GC had highest rated exclusive games? So, WHAT? High rated =/= better game, the media today is biased.
What GC games were better than:

Uncharted
Ninja Gaiden Sigma
Ratchet & Clank
Valkyria Chronicles
Metal Gear Solid 4
Killzone 2
Motorstorm:Pacific Rift
Naruto:Ultimate Ninja Storm
Gran Turismo 5 Prologue
Warhawk
New Siren game
Demon`s Soul
inFAMOUS

PS3 today has a LOT of REALLY amazing exclusive games today and MUCH more GREAT games incoming.

Sony Gaming Division lost 2,5 bln. since PS3 release in 2,5 years? How much PROFIT it made on blu-ray sales? How much it will make in next 5 years?
Anyway, this thread is not about profit it`s about SALES. AND i always thought, VGC site was also about SALES. =))

So far, PS3 is selling MUCH better, than GC at it`s price.
AND don`t worry people, Sony will drop price for PS3 soon or later. PS3 is a MUST HAVE console this gen and WILL pass 100 mln. in any case. =)

Not sure if you understand how the business world works, but most companies provide products to the market in the hopes of making a profit. If you wanted this to be about sales alone. Why not have Sony reduce the price of the PS3 to $1. Surely the PS3 would sell more consoles than its current competitors combined. Sorry the real world doesn't fit your perfect alternate Sony fanboy distorted reality. The PS3 is selling more than the Gamecube and incurring huge losses. This is all Sony fanboys have to brag about? A money-losing console selling better than a profitable console from last gen? Desperate times, I see.



I'm not a fanboy, I just try to tip the balance in favor of logic and common sense.

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jcp234 on 31 May 2009
BladeOfGod said:
jcp234 said:
BladeOfGod said:
jcp234 said:
BladeOfGod said:
The worst selling Sony console is selling better than worst selling Nintendo console :)


I am sure investors will be more concerned with profit, rather than the number of consoles sold.

I'm not really sure how this comparison is even relevant. The PS3 is selling more but probably losing even more money compared to the Gamecube, which probably loss close to nothing if anything.


PS3 still has 7 years to go ( according to Sony ) so it can still make all the profit GC did,(maybe even more )


So, you believe in the end, the PS3 will make enough profit to net the losses it has made in the past and it is going to make this year and probably next year? Enough so, to equal the profits of the gamecube?

Maybe you should honestly consider the type of market conditions needed to achieve that kind of performance in seven years. Just does not sound very logical, but then again...a lot of things within this thread do not.

Not so sure about equaling profits GC made but i am sure it will make enough to cover all losses it made

Fair enough. This is a logical response. I can see this happening at some point.



I'm not a fanboy, I just try to tip the balance in favor of logic and common sense.

Alby_da_Wolf on 31 May 2009
SamuelRSmith said:
rafichamp said:
@radioio, Microsoft lost 9 billion dollars with the xbox, got a excuse for that?

No excuse is needed. Microsoft's primary objective with the Xbox wasn't to make profit, it was to remove their biggest threat from taking over the living room.

And it worked, in the space of just 7-odd years, Sony has been moved from the market-leading position, to losing the race, at the same time they are bleeding money just trying to keep into the race, and software sells considerably better on the 360.

Next generation will be an interesting one. Microsoft has two choices for the next generation, they can use their new found position to try and get as much profit as possible, or do they go for Nintendo? I'm thinking that they will go for the latter, yeah that may seem laughable now, but so did them going after Sony 7 years ago. The long term benefits of being in first place is greater than the short term benefits of being in second place. Microsoft should know this, they've spent their entire life following this philosophy.

I agree, and I'm scared. Both Sony and Nintendo must resist to MS' attacks this gen and the next too, for market freedom's and gamers' sake.



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CrazzyMan on 31 May 2009

@BladeOfGod,
So, you are saying, that somwehwere in 2011 PS3 at 199$ bundled with GT5 is not a MUST HAVE for a Racing fan? =)
PS3 at 199$ bundled with FFXIIIv or KZ3, or Uncharted 3, or Team ico Game or MGS5 or many, many other AAA games, is not a MUST HAVE?
Come on, you are in denial.

For all above, I REPEAT, this is SALES thread. =))



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2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

jcp234 on 31 May 2009
Soriku said:
BladeOfGod said:
jcp234 said:
BladeOfGod said:
jcp234 said:
BladeOfGod said:
The worst selling Sony console is selling better than worst selling Nintendo console :)


I am sure investors will be more concerned with profit, rather than the number of consoles sold.

I'm not really sure how this comparison is even relevant. The PS3 is selling more but probably losing even more money compared to the Gamecube, which probably loss close to nothing if anything.


PS3 still has 7 years to go ( according to Sony ) so it can still make all the profit GC did,(maybe even more )


So, you believe in the end, the PS3 will make enough profit to net the losses it has made in the past and it is going to make this year and probably next year? Enough so, to equal the profits of the gamecube?

Maybe you should honestly consider the type of market conditions needed to achieve that kind of performance in seven years. Just does not sound very logical, but then again...a lot of things within this thread do not.

Not so sure about equaling profits GC made but i am sure it will make enough to cover all losses it made

 

The PS3's made like 3 billion+ in losses. That isn't gonna happen.

Wow, I did not realize the amount was so large.



I'm not a fanboy, I just try to tip the balance in favor of logic and common sense.

BladeOfGod on 31 May 2009
Soriku said:
CrazzyMan said:

GC had highest rated exclusive games? So, WHAT? High rated =/= better game


Strange, I could've sworn people used that as an argument against the Wii.


Dont worry, PS3 will surpass GC in number of 90+ games soon