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Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Munkeh111 said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:

It's pretty clear that the majority of potential Kh buyers are on other platforms, mainly the wii. Do you really dispute that? Come on. Didn't MG4 sell that much because there were few games around on the PS3? That factor you seem to forget.

What does it matter that Disney pushes the BLu-Ray? For Disney sake, KH3 has to sell as many copies as possible and spread the Disney brand. The importance of Blu-Ray is smaller than selling massive Disney brands. That's Disney's core business.

Are you seriously doing that! It was released in the summer, when no games are released, because they don't really sell. MGS 4 sold because it is a massive franchise. Many people bought the console just for the game, the sales spike shows what an effect it had

You don't know the precise demographic of Kingdom Hearts, nor do we, but as I have said before, it shares a user base with FF, and the situation a year from now could be very different

Touchy feelings there about MGS4. Relax. I responded to Tedsteriscool that a factor in the increased sales of MG4 was a certain games drought. Which was a factor. How big, who knows? It's a great game but you can't deny that factor in with it's sales.

KH is a Disney franchise. Disney audience = KH franchise. Disney caters to kids. They always have. If KH doesn't fit with Disney demographics then why is it a Disney franchise? We knows the demographics of Kh because it is a Disney franchise.

What exactly will change in a year? The generation and demographics are set in stone. The PS3 can't attract the casuals, that's why it's losing in the first place. The wii is catching more an more steam. And the x-box is still 8 million above the PS3 sales and the difference seems to be growing.

Well you are talking rubbish, it is the summer, no consoles have any games launching then

Okay, you do realise that people don't just say, this is a Disney game, I don't fit into their demographics, so I won't buy the game. It is an RPG, RPG is not a franchise just for small children? In JP, KH sold about 1.24m copies, now is Disney a massive factor in JP? It is a Square Enix made game, with Disney characters in there

Of course the generation and demographics of the console are not set in stone, that is just a stupid thing to say. PS2 started with just hardcores, before the casuals came. M$ and Sony are both moving to appeal to the casual audience, that is the point of the Xbox 360 arcade, your in the moves.... bla bla bla, and though You're in the Movies did not do that well, nor did Lips, the demographics are chaining, the Xbox is no longer the shooterbox. Sony is changing too, at last year's Leipzig conference, Sony annoucned EyePet, and showed off more Singstar, these games are very clearly casual games. A lower price is obviously going to entice more casual gamers. The Wii did not really found casual gaming, PlayStation did with games like Buzz, Eye Toy and Singstar. There is probably some sort of loyalty there, and as you go through the generation, the demographics of a console will vary more, and the casual demographic is likely to become more prevelant through this generation. It is not set in stone



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@ avarice, I didn't know it ran on the FF X engine, I thought it looked much better than FF apart from the lack of FMVs in KH. But they do have the Crystal tools ready, which hopefully they will use beyond V and XIII



Kids ... like video games ... with Disney characters ... nah get outta here! ;)

Honestly like I said I don't even think this will be a situation of Square-Enix even having to pick and choose a platform. By 2011 it's quite likely a Wii HD will be launching and PS3 and 360 will still be around, so multi-platform release, everyone is happy, and Square-Enix sells more copies all around.

Now Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep ... Square-Enix if they're smart might seriously want to think about up-porting that to the Wii alongside the PSP version. That would probably sell a nice chunk of copies.



It cud be a PS4 launch tittle



Soriku said:
@Avarice

FF XIII engine (Crystal Tools) is also compatible with Wii.

@Munkeh

Well they can try to get a casual base...but in the big picture the casuals aren't going to move to the HD consoles in big amounts. The Wii (and DS) have far more casual games, and are more family friendly (and cheap).

Anyway, I think it's more likely these casuals are buying the game for their kids...which own more Wiis than PS3s or 360s no doubt. Kids are a really big factor for KH, Nomura even said in the Nintendo Dream interview in June that they decided to put CoM on GBA because kids wanted a KH on GBA.

It is in theory, but the engine has yet to be used for a Wii game to my knowledge.. then again, no games have been released using the engine. According to wiki FF XIII, V and Rapture are being deved using it

Well, the casuals aren't going to chuck away their Wiis over a year, but there are going to be more kids on PS360 next year than there are this year

When CoM was released, GBA was the only handheld platform, and it was just a cheap spin off title, they do like to throw around their spin-offs, and I still think they will put the main series on PS3



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Munkeh111 said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Munkeh111 said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
 

It's pretty clear that the majority of potential Kh buyers are on other platforms, mainly the wii. Do you really dispute that? Come on. Didn't MG4 sell that much because there were few games around on the PS3? That factor you seem to forget.

What does it matter that Disney pushes the BLu-Ray? For Disney sake, KH3 has to sell as many copies as possible and spread the Disney brand. The importance of Blu-Ray is smaller than selling massive Disney brands. That's Disney's core business.

Are you seriously doing that! It was released in the summer, when no games are released, because they don't really sell. MGS 4 sold because it is a massive franchise. Many people bought the console just for the game, the sales spike shows what an effect it had

You don't know the precise demographic of Kingdom Hearts, nor do we, but as I have said before, it shares a user base with FF, and the situation a year from now could be very different

Touchy feelings there about MGS4. Relax. I responded to Tedsteriscool that a factor in the increased sales of MG4 was a certain games drought. Which was a factor. How big, who knows? It's a great game but you can't deny that factor in with it's sales.

KH is a Disney franchise. Disney audience = KH franchise. Disney caters to kids. They always have. If KH doesn't fit with Disney demographics then why is it a Disney franchise? We knows the demographics of Kh because it is a Disney franchise.

What exactly will change in a year? The generation and demographics are set in stone. The PS3 can't attract the casuals, that's why it's losing in the first place. The wii is catching more an more steam. And the x-box is still 8 million above the PS3 sales and the difference seems to be growing.

Well you are talking rubbish, it is the summer, no consoles have any games launching then

Okay, you do realise that people don't just say, this is a Disney game, I don't fit into their demographics, so I won't buy the game. It is an RPG, RPG is not a franchise just for small children? In JP, KH sold about 1.24m copies, now is Disney a massive factor in JP? It is a Square Enix made game, with Disney characters in there

Of course the generation and demographics of the console are not set in stone, that is just a stupid thing to say. PS2 started with just hardcores, before the casuals came. M$ and Sony are both moving to appeal to the casual audience, that is the point of the Xbox 360 arcade, your in the moves.... bla bla bla, and though You're in the Movies did not do that well, nor did Lips, the demographics are chaining, the Xbox is no longer the shooterbox. Sony is changing too, at last year's Leipzig conference, Sony annoucned EyePet, and showed off more Singstar, these games are very clearly casual games. A lower price is obviously going to entice more casual gamers. The Wii did not really found casual gaming, PlayStation did with games like Buzz, Eye Toy and Singstar. There is probably some sort of loyalty there, and as you go through the generation, the demographics of a console will vary more, and the casual demographic is likely to become more prevelant through this generation. It is not set in stone

- How many games were there on the PS3 before or after the summer? All consoles have a similar 'drought' effect sooner or later.

- Kh isn't some hardcore grind rpg. It revolves around a keyblade, a sword/key. How many above 14 will want that? And those who do will most likely be Nintendo fans, since their style is similar.

- Nintendo owns Japan with the wii. Forgot that? So what does it matter? 

- The PS2 launched first and went after casuals from the beginning. The frst one did the same. It began the freaking casual movement.

- We're now 4 year in the current generation. X-box launched first and timed the current one. Anything can happen in the first year of a console's launch. But when you see no movement in the sales some 3 year later, then the PS3 is going anywhere. If it could manage more, it would right now. No next year, this year or the year before. It's not changing. You're hoping for a miracle which isn't coming. 

- Loyalty from the casuals to the PS brand? Don't make me laugh! If they had any, really any, loyalty feelings towards consoles then why is the PS3 in the third place? Casuals are like insects attracted by shiny things.  

- The wii expanded the casual movement first engaged by the playstation. The PS3 has anything to do with that casual move anymore, nor can it really change it's direction. BLu-Ray sunk it. The x-box has some more chance but Nintendo's marketing claim is too strong. 



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Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Munkeh111 said:

Well you are talking rubbish, it is the summer, no consoles have any games launching then

Okay, you do realise that people don't just say, this is a Disney game, I don't fit into their demographics, so I won't buy the game. It is an RPG, RPG is not a franchise just for small children? In JP, KH sold about 1.24m copies, now is Disney a massive factor in JP? It is a Square Enix made game, with Disney characters in there

Of course the generation and demographics of the console are not set in stone, that is just a stupid thing to say. PS2 started with just hardcores, before the casuals came. M$ and Sony are both moving to appeal to the casual audience, that is the point of the Xbox 360 arcade, your in the moves.... bla bla bla, and though You're in the Movies did not do that well, nor did Lips, the demographics are chaining, the Xbox is no longer the shooterbox. Sony is changing too, at last year's Leipzig conference, Sony annoucned EyePet, and showed off more Singstar, these games are very clearly casual games. A lower price is obviously going to entice more casual gamers. The Wii did not really found casual gaming, PlayStation did with games like Buzz, Eye Toy and Singstar. There is probably some sort of loyalty there, and as you go through the generation, the demographics of a console will vary more, and the casual demographic is likely to become more prevelant through this generation. It is not set in stone

- How many games were there on the PS3 before or after the summer? All consoles have a similar 'drought' effect sooner or later.

- Kh isn't some hardcore grind rpg. It revolves around a keyblade, a sword/key. How many above 14 will want that? And those who do will most likely be Nintendo fans, since their style is similar.

- Nintendo owns Japan with the wii. Forgot that? So what does it matter? 

- The PS2 launched first and went after casuals from the beginning. The frst one did the same. It began the freaking casual movement.

- We're now 4 year in the current generation. X-box launched first and timed the current one. Anything can happen in the first year of a console's launch. But when you see no movement in the sales some 3 year later, then the PS3 is going anywhere. If it could manage more, it would right now. No next year, this year or the year before. It's not changing. You're hoping for a miracle which isn't coming. 

- Loyalty from the casuals to the PS brand? Don't make me laugh! If they had any, really any, loyalty feelings towards consoles then why is the PS3 in the third place? Casuals are like insects attracted by shiny things.  

- The wii expanded the casual movement first engaged by the playstation. The PS3 has anything to do with that casual move anymore, nor can it really change it's direction. BLu-Ray sunk it. The x-box has some more chance but Nintendo's marketing claim is too strong. 

- Every game has a drought over the summer, the strength of MGS 4 is shown by the massive spike in hardware

- Okay, I'm above 14, I want Kingdom Hearts. Plenty of people want KH because it is great fun to play. If they are all Nintendo fans, how come it did so well on PlayStation?

- Nintendo does not own Japan, the PS3 has been doing reasonably well recently, and with Final Fantasy games coming and Gran Turismo, it is going to have a sizable user base by the time KH comes around

- We are not really in the 4th year, I have had my PS3 for 2 years and 2 months, and I bought it at launch. Things do change, the price cut can change things, they are not set in stone. The PS3 costs like twice as much as its competition, so when it is more reasonably priced, it will be more interesting

- Loyalty, well there is not that much here, but there are still people sitting at homes with their PS2s, and when they decided to upgrade, it will probably be to PS3, but that is not a major factor

- Of course a console can change directions, to think otherwise is ludicrous



Munkeh111 said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Munkeh111 said:
 

Well you are talking rubbish, it is the summer, no consoles have any games launching then

Okay, you do realise that people don't just say, this is a Disney game, I don't fit into their demographics, so I won't buy the game. It is an RPG, RPG is not a franchise just for small children? In JP, KH sold about 1.24m copies, now is Disney a massive factor in JP? It is a Square Enix made game, with Disney characters in there

Of course the generation and demographics of the console are not set in stone, that is just a stupid thing to say. PS2 started with just hardcores, before the casuals came. M$ and Sony are both moving to appeal to the casual audience, that is the point of the Xbox 360 arcade, your in the moves.... bla bla bla, and though You're in the Movies did not do that well, nor did Lips, the demographics are chaining, the Xbox is no longer the shooterbox. Sony is changing too, at last year's Leipzig conference, Sony annoucned EyePet, and showed off more Singstar, these games are very clearly casual games. A lower price is obviously going to entice more casual gamers. The Wii did not really found casual gaming, PlayStation did with games like Buzz, Eye Toy and Singstar. There is probably some sort of loyalty there, and as you go through the generation, the demographics of a console will vary more, and the casual demographic is likely to become more prevelant through this generation. It is not set in stone

- How many games were there on the PS3 before or after the summer? All consoles have a similar 'drought' effect sooner or later.

- Kh isn't some hardcore grind rpg. It revolves around a keyblade, a sword/key. How many above 14 will want that? And those who do will most likely be Nintendo fans, since their style is similar.

- Nintendo owns Japan with the wii. Forgot that? So what does it matter? 

- The PS2 launched first and went after casuals from the beginning. The frst one did the same. It began the freaking casual movement.

- We're now 4 year in the current generation. X-box launched first and timed the current one. Anything can happen in the first year of a console's launch. But when you see no movement in the sales some 3 year later, then the PS3 is going anywhere. If it could manage more, it would right now. No next year, this year or the year before. It's not changing. You're hoping for a miracle which isn't coming. 

- Loyalty from the casuals to the PS brand? Don't make me laugh! If they had any, really any, loyalty feelings towards consoles then why is the PS3 in the third place? Casuals are like insects attracted by shiny things.  

- The wii expanded the casual movement first engaged by the playstation. The PS3 has anything to do with that casual move anymore, nor can it really change it's direction. BLu-Ray sunk it. The x-box has some more chance but Nintendo's marketing claim is too strong. 

- Every game has a drought over the summer, the strength of MGS 4 is shown by the massive spike in hardware

- Okay, I'm above 14, I want Kingdom Hearts. Plenty of people want KH because it is great fun to play. If they are all Nintendo fans, how come it did so well on PlayStation?

- Nintendo does not own Japan, the PS3 has been doing reasonably well recently, and with Final Fantasy games coming and Gran Turismo, it is going to have a sizable user base by the time KH comes around

- We are not really in the 4th year, I have had my PS3 for 2 years and 2 months, and I bought it at launch. Things do change, the price cut can change things, they are not set in stone. The PS3 costs like twice as much as its competition, so when it is more reasonably priced, it will be more interesting

- Loyalty, well there is not that much here, but there are still people sitting at homes with their PS2s, and when they decided to upgrade, it will probably be to PS3, but that is not a major factor

- Of course a console can change directions, to think otherwise is ludicrous

You clearly have been swallowing to much Sony bullshit. Don't swallow, spit!

- I never said the game didn't sell consoles. My point was that it profited at least a bit form the drought. No way to say how much. Didn't i wrote that too? These things are happening with other games on other consoles too. Any console!

- This gen. Nintendo stole these people back form Sony. Isn't that obvious? Like the playstation stole them from Nintendo after the snes. Duh! Why is every HD fanboys mockingly calling it a kiddy-console? Would i find the same comments in your previous posts?

- Nintendo owns japan with a difference of 5 million sales over the PS3. If that isn't owning, what is? If the wii stopped selling now, the PS3 still couldn't catch up. Not to mention the fact it carries the cheapest development costs. Nintendo owns Japan! Wake up.

- The current generation began when the first console launched. Who gives a crap when the PS3 launched? That has nothing to do with the beginning of the current generation. And your bragging about the high price of the PS3. Why? It's the reason it's losing. Sony is in serious financial troubles. It's highly unlikely they can afford one, let alone how much you think. Even if they could, would they not chose profability, like any company in thier position? 

- Those 'loyal' PS2 owners already bought in too a console. Most likely the wii first and then the x-box. What makes you think these people are sitting at home waiting for a price drop? Come on. Mainstream People don't care for the PS3 like they didn't care for the GC last gen. Deal with it.

- It takes 2-3 year to make other games and as long for new hardware. Anything what isn't on the horizon now, isn't coming before the next generation. To win the casuals you need the games they like. The PS3 has barely 3 of them. Count the ones on the wii. Nintendo has the games and marketing to consume the compleet casual audience which is still left. Microsoft and Sony are powerless. They failed to act earlier and now it's to late. 

 



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Munkeh111 said:

Well you are talking rubbish, it is the summer, no consoles have any games launching then

Okay, you do realise that people don't just say, this is a Disney game, I don't fit into their demographics, so I won't buy the game. It is an RPG, RPG is not a franchise just for small children? In JP, KH sold about 1.24m copies, now is Disney a massive factor in JP? It is a Square Enix made game, with Disney characters in there

Of course the generation and demographics of the console are not set in stone, that is just a stupid thing to say. PS2 started with just hardcores, before the casuals came. M$ and Sony are both moving to appeal to the casual audience, that is the point of the Xbox 360 arcade, your in the moves.... bla bla bla, and though You're in the Movies did not do that well, nor did Lips, the demographics are chaining, the Xbox is no longer the shooterbox. Sony is changing too, at last year's Leipzig conference, Sony annoucned EyePet, and showed off more Singstar, these games are very clearly casual games. A lower price is obviously going to entice more casual gamers. The Wii did not really found casual gaming, PlayStation did with games like Buzz, Eye Toy and Singstar. There is probably some sort of loyalty there, and as you go through the generation, the demographics of a console will vary more, and the casual demographic is likely to become more prevelant through this generation. It is not set in stone

@bolded

That is 100% pure grade bullshit.  Neither of them created "casual" gaming.  The whole reason consoles were created was because mass appeal and ease, AKA bringing in the mass market usually known as the casual gamers, the hardcore gamers were all on PC and even shunned the "kids" that played consoles as not real gamers much like the nerds do today.  If you want to get technical here the Magnavox Odyssey was the creation of casual gaming. 

@the main argument here

Disney controls the IP like I said before it's up in the air where it goes but Disney is more likely to go after the largest install base and a base that fits their demographics.  This gives a severe disadvantage to both PS3 and 360, I'd say Disney would want it on the Wii unless Square somehow convinces them otherwise.



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