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Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Munkeh111 said:

Well you are talking rubbish, it is the summer, no consoles have any games launching then

Okay, you do realise that people don't just say, this is a Disney game, I don't fit into their demographics, so I won't buy the game. It is an RPG, RPG is not a franchise just for small children? In JP, KH sold about 1.24m copies, now is Disney a massive factor in JP? It is a Square Enix made game, with Disney characters in there

Of course the generation and demographics of the console are not set in stone, that is just a stupid thing to say. PS2 started with just hardcores, before the casuals came. M$ and Sony are both moving to appeal to the casual audience, that is the point of the Xbox 360 arcade, your in the moves.... bla bla bla, and though You're in the Movies did not do that well, nor did Lips, the demographics are chaining, the Xbox is no longer the shooterbox. Sony is changing too, at last year's Leipzig conference, Sony annoucned EyePet, and showed off more Singstar, these games are very clearly casual games. A lower price is obviously going to entice more casual gamers. The Wii did not really found casual gaming, PlayStation did with games like Buzz, Eye Toy and Singstar. There is probably some sort of loyalty there, and as you go through the generation, the demographics of a console will vary more, and the casual demographic is likely to become more prevelant through this generation. It is not set in stone

- How many games were there on the PS3 before or after the summer? All consoles have a similar 'drought' effect sooner or later.

- Kh isn't some hardcore grind rpg. It revolves around a keyblade, a sword/key. How many above 14 will want that? And those who do will most likely be Nintendo fans, since their style is similar.

- Nintendo owns Japan with the wii. Forgot that? So what does it matter? 

- The PS2 launched first and went after casuals from the beginning. The frst one did the same. It began the freaking casual movement.

- We're now 4 year in the current generation. X-box launched first and timed the current one. Anything can happen in the first year of a console's launch. But when you see no movement in the sales some 3 year later, then the PS3 is going anywhere. If it could manage more, it would right now. No next year, this year or the year before. It's not changing. You're hoping for a miracle which isn't coming. 

- Loyalty from the casuals to the PS brand? Don't make me laugh! If they had any, really any, loyalty feelings towards consoles then why is the PS3 in the third place? Casuals are like insects attracted by shiny things.  

- The wii expanded the casual movement first engaged by the playstation. The PS3 has anything to do with that casual move anymore, nor can it really change it's direction. BLu-Ray sunk it. The x-box has some more chance but Nintendo's marketing claim is too strong. 

- Every game has a drought over the summer, the strength of MGS 4 is shown by the massive spike in hardware

- Okay, I'm above 14, I want Kingdom Hearts. Plenty of people want KH because it is great fun to play. If they are all Nintendo fans, how come it did so well on PlayStation?

- Nintendo does not own Japan, the PS3 has been doing reasonably well recently, and with Final Fantasy games coming and Gran Turismo, it is going to have a sizable user base by the time KH comes around

- We are not really in the 4th year, I have had my PS3 for 2 years and 2 months, and I bought it at launch. Things do change, the price cut can change things, they are not set in stone. The PS3 costs like twice as much as its competition, so when it is more reasonably priced, it will be more interesting

- Loyalty, well there is not that much here, but there are still people sitting at homes with their PS2s, and when they decided to upgrade, it will probably be to PS3, but that is not a major factor

- Of course a console can change directions, to think otherwise is ludicrous