It's not just about the core and hardcore market. It's about the whole market, and right now, Nintendo has that. That's why the best-selling software of the generation is the Wii and Ds, and it's also why Wii and DS software besides just one or two games sells well even long after its been released whereas 360 software sells 75-90% of its sales in the first few months and then falls off the charts.

And if you think that the Wii and DS are only selling to kids under ten, then you're even mroe clueless than I thought.

This list is great.

I can't understand, however, how anyone could claim they "greatly prefer" Sony's list.

I doubt anyone has played WKC, and Gran Turismo is a demo.

You've got, from that list only, Killzone 2, Uncharted, and LBP that are really worth bragging about. Look at both of THOSE actual lists one more time, ffs.

Now, if you add MGS4, Sony is starting to show a little something, but THAT game is not on THAT list. Without it, I think the list provided for MS is clearly superior imo. Mass Effect being included, as it is, as well as both Gears games, Crackdown, Forza 2, Fable 2, and Halo 3. All of those are pretty fantastic games this gen.

So, even if you argue that the MS list PROVIDED HERE isn't clearly superior, I don't understand how you can claim anything more than a marginal preference to the PS3 list. Without MGS4, the PS3's exclusive lineup SO FAR this gen is neutered. It's just about half the reason to even own a PS3, or at least it was until LBP came out. If you prefer the PS3 list without it, then you must be apeshit over the console, when you include it in a list like that.

I think some of you might be seeing these Microsoft exclusives as bullet points, or maybe you've never actually played them. Mass Effect is GREAT. Crackdown is GREAT. Gears 1 and 2, are like two Killzone 2's. You must understand, the 360's lineup rocks. Some of the best games don't appear on the PS3. It's fine to love the PS3 and its great library, but don't degrade or marginalize Microsoft's games. They have been rocking this generation for years, and indeed have defined it for many gamers. What is this gen, without Gears of War? Much worse, with an identity crisis.

@ Zen

Are you kidding? Your opinion on Uncharted, KZ2, and LBP being the only notable games on the list is your opinion.

Not everyone shares it.

(Note: On this list, I'm undecided. It has Lost Odyssey on it, but there are enough titles to help balance it out. Like Folklore and Demon's Souls.)

@outlaw

I said sales.

Yea I know blah blah sales is not the only criteria for a good game, but we are comparing MS RPG sales of >6m and Sony RPG sales

At what bit? The sports games?

Well, I'm sitting pretty with my copy of Demon's Souls. I lurv it.

And if you do get a PS3, I'd recommend you get Folklore as well. It's an awesome game. The 360 certainly has most RPGs, and they're certainly abundant. The difference is that I would only recommend 4 RPGs. (Tales, LO, Mass Effect, and IU)

I'd recommend the same amount for the PS3.

@outlaw

Ill see you Tales, LO, Mass Effect, IU and raise you Fable 2, Star Ocean, The Last Remnant and Blue Dragon.

Anyway Im so excited that Tales and SO are coming to Europe next month.

Well, I wouldn't recommend Star Ocean, Last Remnant, and Blue Dragon to anyone. I'm haven't finished Fable 2, but I'll admit I forgot about it. It's very good as well.

house your heart? you ok?

Some of the best games also don't appear on the 360. You should put a big IMO before your entire post as you seem to be suggesting other people's opinions don't count by saying only KZ2, Uncharted and LBP are the only games that count.You can say Gran Turismo is a demo, but yet it counts as you get nearly the same amount of content as a full game but for a fraction of the price. Many people enjoy the games Sony are currently publishing and yes... actually prefer the Sony list by a long way. I personally think they're about equal. The table also seems to suggest this giving, even though it gives Sony a whooping 1.2% over the MS published games.

And, as you expressed yours, IMO: Mass Effect is good, but could have been better (like KoToR or Baldurs Gate), Gears 1&2 are good (but I actually prefer KZ2) and Halo3 is the most overated game of all time. On the PS3 side I actually think LBP is a bit dull, Uncharted to be great, heavenly sword also great and R1 & 2 to be about average.