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Ail on 14 May 2009
Soriku said:
Haha. What am I smoking? At least make convincing arguments.

CoD: WaW on Wii is a gimped game and didn't even receive the same ad budget as the HD console version. Not to mention CoD: MW was on Wii this building up an HD fanbase. It can also be argued it made nearly as much money for Activision as the HD versions separately.

Haze is a lot more mainstream than MadWorld. Besides, MadWorld isn't even close to done selling yet.

You're just cherry picking.

 

Maybe if you didn't call every Wii game made by a third party gimped publishers would spend more time on the platform...

 

I have never seen a hardcore base so critic of the support its hardware gets...

 

Besides the fact that all the franchises you listed have outperformed this gen the sales they made last gen ( DMC, MGS) which tend to validate that the majority of the fans of those serie really did follow their franchise to the HD consoles...

 



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

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wfz on 14 May 2009
Ail said:
Soriku said:
BMaker11 said:
Soriku said:
RPG said:
Why are people (fanboys) bad mouthing Capcom, what have they said wrong? If a game like Madwords struggles to 0.20 million and Fitness Coach 1 million I see nothing wrong with what Capcom said. Nothing is wrong with the userbase but most will not purchase M rated games.

So far in this thread a couple people have got really touchy about what a PR said and that too a correct statement, how very sad. Anyway Capcom is giving Wii MH3 so people should be happy.

 

Cherry picking...what about the REs that sold over a million?

I think someone in the thread said it already but, RE sells regardless of platform

 

 

So would MGS. So would DMC. So would Gears. Pretty much all the big series the HD consoles have would sell elsewhere as well.

 

Lo lo LOL

Seriously you need to tell us what kind of crack you are smoking Soriaku.

Sure they would sell elsewhere, question is how many units....

Aside from the fact that games like MGS4 on the Wii would look like MGS2...

 

The Wii got CoD:WaW a big M rated games with a big ad budget. It sold nowhere as well as on HD console so stop trying to convince us that mature games with similar add budget would sell as well on the Wii....

 

The majority of the fans of those big games you mentionned knew they would come on HD consoles and have purchased one...

 

The biggest pile of sh*t that was Haze outsold Madworld by a 3 ratio....

Now now, no need to be an asshole to Soriku. All he said was that those well established franchises would sell on other platforms as well. You gave nothing to rebute his claim, great job.

 

All you managed to do with this post is show your bias and/or ignorance against the Wii and needlessly make fun of Soriku.

Comparing a completely gimped version of CoD (which still has sold over a -million- copies on the Wii!) To it's superior form on the HD consoles where there is a much higher ratio of FPS fans?

Comparing an extremely hyped FPS game to a hyped up extremely gory niche game?

 

Let me turn your Haze vs Madworld argument around: Twilight Princess sold way more copies on the GC than Okami did on the PS2. Oh my god! The PS2 can't sell adventure games!

 



Ail on 14 May 2009
wfz said:
Ail said:
Soriku said:
BMaker11 said:
Soriku said:
RPG said:
Why are people (fanboys) bad mouthing Capcom, what have they said wrong? If a game like Madwords struggles to 0.20 million and Fitness Coach 1 million I see nothing wrong with what Capcom said. Nothing is wrong with the userbase but most will not purchase M rated games.

So far in this thread a couple people have got really touchy about what a PR said and that too a correct statement, how very sad. Anyway Capcom is giving Wii MH3 so people should be happy.

 

Cherry picking...what about the REs that sold over a million?

I think someone in the thread said it already but, RE sells regardless of platform

 

 

So would MGS. So would DMC. So would Gears. Pretty much all the big series the HD consoles have would sell elsewhere as well.

 

Lo lo LOL

Seriously you need to tell us what kind of crack you are smoking Soriaku.

Sure they would sell elsewhere, question is how many units....

Aside from the fact that games like MGS4 on the Wii would look like MGS2...

 

The Wii got CoD:WaW a big M rated games with a big ad budget. It sold nowhere as well as on HD console so stop trying to convince us that mature games with similar add budget would sell as well on the Wii....

 

The majority of the fans of those big games you mentionned knew they would come on HD consoles and have purchased one...

 

The biggest pile of sh*t that was Haze outsold Madworld by a 3 ratio....

Now now, no need to be an asshole to Soriku. All he said was that those well established franchises would sell on other platforms as well. You gave nothing to rebute his claim, great job.

 

All you managed to do with this post is show your bias and/or ignorance against the Wii and needlessly make fun of Soriku.

Comparing a completely gimped version of CoD (which still has sold over a -million- copies on the Wii!) To it's superior form on the HD consoles where there is a much higher ratio of FPS fans?

Comparing an extremely hyped FPS game to a hyped up extremely gory niche game?

 

Let me turn your Haze vs Madworld argument around: Twilight Princess sold way more copies on the GC than Okami did on the PS2. Oh my god! The PS2 can't sell adventure games!

 

And whose fault is it that CoD:WaW is gimped ???

Activision or Nintendo ????

Activision does the best it can with the hardware it has to work with.

Stop trying to say that publishers have hidden motives and that they on purpose develop inferior versions of games...

 



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Fossil on 14 May 2009

@Ali

Way to dodge an argument.



*Gratuitous falme-bait signature that mocks two or more consoles while praising another*


Ail on 14 May 2009
Soriku said:
Ail said:
Soriku said:
Haha. What am I smoking? At least make convincing arguments.

CoD: WaW on Wii is a gimped game and didn't even receive the same ad budget as the HD console version. Not to mention CoD: MW was on Wii this building up an HD fanbase. It can also be argued it made nearly as much money for Activision as the HD versions separately.

Haze is a lot more mainstream than MadWorld. Besides, MadWorld isn't even close to done selling yet.

You're just cherry picking.

 

Maybe if you didn't call every Wii game made by a third party gimped publishers would spend more time on the platform...

 

I have never seen a hardcore base so critic of the support its hardware gets...

 

Besides the fact that all the franchises you listed have outperformed this gen the sales they made last gen ( DMC, MGS) which tend to validate that the majority of the fans of those serie really did follow their franchise to the HD consoles...

 

 

What?

MGS4: 3.93m

MGS3 (PS2): 4.02m

MGS2 (PS2): 5.58m

MGS1 also sold 5.59m.

DMC4 outsold DMC2 and DMC3 only if we combine PS3 and 360 sales. DMC4 didn't beat DMC1.

 

I was comparing to the last iteration not to a title that was released 10 years ago 2 gen ago...

DMC4 outsold DMC3.

MGS4 outsold MGS3. ( it's tracking 800k ahead at the same time from the release).



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

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wfz on 14 May 2009
Ail said:
wfz said:
Ail said:
Soriku said:
BMaker11 said:
Soriku said:
RPG said:
Why are people (fanboys) bad mouthing Capcom, what have they said wrong? If a game like Madwords struggles to 0.20 million and Fitness Coach 1 million I see nothing wrong with what Capcom said. Nothing is wrong with the userbase but most will not purchase M rated games.

So far in this thread a couple people have got really touchy about what a PR said and that too a correct statement, how very sad. Anyway Capcom is giving Wii MH3 so people should be happy.

 

Cherry picking...what about the REs that sold over a million?

I think someone in the thread said it already but, RE sells regardless of platform

 

 

So would MGS. So would DMC. So would Gears. Pretty much all the big series the HD consoles have would sell elsewhere as well.

 

Lo lo LOL

Seriously you need to tell us what kind of crack you are smoking Soriaku.

Sure they would sell elsewhere, question is how many units....

Aside from the fact that games like MGS4 on the Wii would look like MGS2...

 

The Wii got CoD:WaW a big M rated games with a big ad budget. It sold nowhere as well as on HD console so stop trying to convince us that mature games with similar add budget would sell as well on the Wii....

 

The majority of the fans of those big games you mentionned knew they would come on HD consoles and have purchased one...

 

The biggest pile of sh*t that was Haze outsold Madworld by a 3 ratio....

Now now, no need to be an asshole to Soriku. All he said was that those well established franchises would sell on other platforms as well. You gave nothing to rebute his claim, great job.

 

All you managed to do with this post is show your bias and/or ignorance against the Wii and needlessly make fun of Soriku.

Comparing a completely gimped version of CoD (which still has sold over a -million- copies on the Wii!) To it's superior form on the HD consoles where there is a much higher ratio of FPS fans?

Comparing an extremely hyped FPS game to a hyped up extremely gory niche game?

 

Let me turn your Haze vs Madworld argument around: Twilight Princess sold way more copies on the GC than Okami did on the PS2. Oh my god! The PS2 can't sell adventure games!

 

And whose fault is it that CoD:WaW is gimped ???

Activision or Nintendo ????

Activision does the best it can with the hardware it has to work with.

Stop trying to say that publishers have hidden motives and that they on purpose develop inferior versions of games...

 

Wow, this post goes right along with "why the wii is always doomed" thread that I just read. I really didn't know that people blamed Nintendo for third parties games. That sure as hell is surprising.

 

You want me to stop trying to say that publishers have hidden motives and that they purposely develop inferior games?

I was never doing that to begin with. I never once said that about third parties, and you're just putting words in my mouth in order to give you something to lecture me about in order to make me look bad. Please don't do that.

 



Ail on 14 May 2009
wfz said:
Ail said:
wfz said:
Ail said:
Soriku said:
BMaker11 said:
Soriku said:
RPG said:
Why are people (fanboys) bad mouthing Capcom, what have they said wrong? If a game like Madwords struggles to 0.20 million and Fitness Coach 1 million I see nothing wrong with what Capcom said. Nothing is wrong with the userbase but most will not purchase M rated games.

So far in this thread a couple people have got really touchy about what a PR said and that too a correct statement, how very sad. Anyway Capcom is giving Wii MH3 so people should be happy.

 

Cherry picking...what about the REs that sold over a million?

I think someone in the thread said it already but, RE sells regardless of platform

 

 

So would MGS. So would DMC. So would Gears. Pretty much all the big series the HD consoles have would sell elsewhere as well.

 

Lo lo LOL

Seriously you need to tell us what kind of crack you are smoking Soriaku.

Sure they would sell elsewhere, question is how many units....

Aside from the fact that games like MGS4 on the Wii would look like MGS2...

 

The Wii got CoD:WaW a big M rated games with a big ad budget. It sold nowhere as well as on HD console so stop trying to convince us that mature games with similar add budget would sell as well on the Wii....

 

The majority of the fans of those big games you mentionned knew they would come on HD consoles and have purchased one...

 

The biggest pile of sh*t that was Haze outsold Madworld by a 3 ratio....

Now now, no need to be an asshole to Soriku. All he said was that those well established franchises would sell on other platforms as well. You gave nothing to rebute his claim, great job.

 

All you managed to do with this post is show your bias and/or ignorance against the Wii and needlessly make fun of Soriku.

Comparing a completely gimped version of CoD (which still has sold over a -million- copies on the Wii!) To it's superior form on the HD consoles where there is a much higher ratio of FPS fans?

Comparing an extremely hyped FPS game to a hyped up extremely gory niche game?

 

Let me turn your Haze vs Madworld argument around: Twilight Princess sold way more copies on the GC than Okami did on the PS2. Oh my god! The PS2 can't sell adventure games!

 

And whose fault is it that CoD:WaW is gimped ???

Activision or Nintendo ????

Activision does the best it can with the hardware it has to work with.

Stop trying to say that publishers have hidden motives and that they on purpose develop inferior versions of games...

 

Wow, this post goes right along with "why the wii is always doomed" thread that I just read. I really didn't know that people blamed Nintendo for third parties games. That sure as hell is surprising.

 

You want me to stop trying to say that publishers have hidden motives and that they purposely develop inferior games?

I was never doing that to begin with. I never once said that about third parties, and you're just putting words in my mouth in order to give you something to lecture me about in order to make me look bad. Please don't do that.

 

Well what is it then ?

You said CoD:WaW is gimped.

 

Not many conclusions you can reach from there.

1) Activision is incompetent

2) They on purpose gimped the game 

3) They did the best they could with what they had to work with.

 

Pick one, knowing Activision is the most successfull third parties that has ever been around in the gaming industry....

 



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Hyperion on 14 May 2009

Soriku, you win. :)



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Ail on 14 May 2009
Soriku said:
If Activision did the best they could with what they had to work with, why is Conduit by a much less successful dev surpassing CoD: WaW in every way?

 

It is ?

So far it has sold 0 units so that is hardly surpassing.

I thought the customers were the one deciding in the end....

So that one is still in the air...



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Hisiru on 14 May 2009
Ail said:
wfz said:
Ail said:
Soriku said:
BMaker11 said:
Soriku said:
RPG said:
Why are people (fanboys) bad mouthing Capcom, what have they said wrong? If a game like Madwords struggles to 0.20 million and Fitness Coach 1 million I see nothing wrong with what Capcom said. Nothing is wrong with the userbase but most will not purchase M rated games.

So far in this thread a couple people have got really touchy about what a PR said and that too a correct statement, how very sad. Anyway Capcom is giving Wii MH3 so people should be happy.

 

Cherry picking...what about the REs that sold over a million?

I think someone in the thread said it already but, RE sells regardless of platform

 

 

So would MGS. So would DMC. So would Gears. Pretty much all the big series the HD consoles have would sell elsewhere as well.

 

Lo lo LOL

Seriously you need to tell us what kind of crack you are smoking Soriaku.

Sure they would sell elsewhere, question is how many units....

Aside from the fact that games like MGS4 on the Wii would look like MGS2...

 

The Wii got CoD:WaW a big M rated games with a big ad budget. It sold nowhere as well as on HD console so stop trying to convince us that mature games with similar add budget would sell as well on the Wii....

 

The majority of the fans of those big games you mentionned knew they would come on HD consoles and have purchased one...

 

The biggest pile of sh*t that was Haze outsold Madworld by a 3 ratio....

Now now, no need to be an asshole to Soriku. All he said was that those well established franchises would sell on other platforms as well. You gave nothing to rebute his claim, great job.

 

All you managed to do with this post is show your bias and/or ignorance against the Wii and needlessly make fun of Soriku.

Comparing a completely gimped version of CoD (which still has sold over a -million- copies on the Wii!) To it's superior form on the HD consoles where there is a much higher ratio of FPS fans?

Comparing an extremely hyped FPS game to a hyped up extremely gory niche game?

 

Let me turn your Haze vs Madworld argument around: Twilight Princess sold way more copies on the GC than Okami did on the PS2. Oh my god! The PS2 can't sell adventure games!

 

And whose fault is it that CoD:WaW is gimped ???

Activision or Nintendo ????

Activision does the best it can with the hardware it has to work with.

Stop trying to say that publishers have hidden motives and that they on purpose develop inferior versions of games...

 

 

"Activision does the best it can with the hardware it has to work with."

You already saw RE4? Monster Hunter 3? Ok, let's talk about a FPS, you already saw The conduit? 

it is not only on the wii, a lot of developers did a lot of crap games for the Wii and the DS, even the EA did a crap games with their Need for speed on the DS. When you see the differences between the PSX hardware and DS hardware (that is not so big), you will ask: "Hisiru, why the hell EA don't did a better job or a simple NFS high stakes?" And the answer is: they want to make money in the easy way :). They think that with the great install base, they can make a crap game with low costs, and make a profit. You need to speak with a programmer and also need to understand about the Wii hardware.