Onyxmeth said: Ajescent said: Onyxmeth said: Ajescent said: Are they meant to say: "We're gonna call it quits, we've been well and truely spanked?" From what I can see, this wasn't a question and answer. They didn't have to say anything at all on the subject.   Reassuring the shareholders.   Not a legitimate excuse. If they were asked the question directly, or if this were an actual shareholder's report or meeting I could understand having to stretch the truth to not appear weak, but there is no gun pointed to their head pressuring them to say anything. It's done under their own accord, and they had the choice to avoid the topic altogether, meaning it never had to come to, and I quote "We're gonna call it quits, we've been well and truly spanked?". You made it appear there were only two choices, and I presented a legitimate third option that could avoid either appearing delusional or weak. That's all I'm trying to say.

 

 

I suppose if MS can chest pound and say how they are better than everyone else when nobody asked, I guess Sony can knee-jerk and say they don't suck as bad as people think when nobody ask, it's all PR speak, they all do it.

As long as they are aware they aren't kings of the world and are sure they can (or at least make a respectable attempt) make a comeback then uhh...good on them?

But I kinda see what you mean, too much self hype can come across as a little bit desperate.

Ajescent said: Onyxmeth said: Ajescent said: Onyxmeth said: Ajescent said: Are they meant to say: "We're gonna call it quits, we've been well and truely spanked?" From what I can see, this wasn't a question and answer. They didn't have to say anything at all on the subject.   Reassuring the shareholders.   Not a legitimate excuse. If they were asked the question directly, or if this were an actual shareholder's report or meeting I could understand having to stretch the truth to not appear weak, but there is no gun pointed to their head pressuring them to say anything. It's done under their own accord, and they had the choice to avoid the topic altogether, meaning it never had to come to, and I quote "We're gonna call it quits, we've been well and truly spanked?". You made it appear there were only two choices, and I presented a legitimate third option that could avoid either appearing delusional or weak. That's all I'm trying to say.       I suppose if MS can chest pound and say how they are better than everyone else when nobody asked, I guess Sony can knee-jerk and say they don't suck as bad as people think when nobody ask, it's all PR speak, they all do it. As long as they are aware they aren't kings of the world and are sure they can (or at least make a respectable attempt) make a comeback then uhh...good on them? But I kinda see what you mean, too much self hype can come across as a little bit desperate.

I have the exact same answer for Microsoft. If it's not a strength, then no need to "beat your chest" and stretch the truth to appear strong. Just amplify your actual strengths. I've just noticed Sony PR has had an incredible knack this generation concentrating on making their weaknesses appear to be strengths and that is what has lead to those long lists of epic quotables that make people scratch their heads in bewilderment.

 

Ajescent said: Are they meant to say: "We're gonna call it quits, we've been well and truely spanked?"

No, they're meant to do what Nintendo did in 2003. Recognize they've made a mistake and rethink their strategy, not only with the PS3 but their future game systems. This cannot be done properly if you're in denial, or trying to convince people you're still the sustaining leader.

In 2003, regardless of all the doom and gloom the markets aggravated on Nintendo for recognizing their mistakes, the Gamecube had a great holiday season and one of its best selling years. And they successfully set a precedent in the Chinese market with the iQue that year. Which believe it or not enabled them to properly develop their Wii strategy, which was also established that year along with the DS.

If you keep addressing the public and calling forth a comeback, not only are you making the markets rest on their laurels by delaying their pressure which will conflict with your interests later on. But also you're making your internal employees rest on their laurels. It doesn't matter how hard you work if your motivations and objectives are all in the wrong places, and that's the whole point of it. You have to recognize you're doing it wrong before you start doing it right, you can't just call forth a "comeback" out of the winds. You have to make it happen the way it is done, and I'm sorry but it's just not the way they're doing it.

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saicho said: KBG29 said: Quite simply, Sony can now profit from PS3, so it is time to turn the marketing up. If PS3 had sold Wii like numbers from the start, it would have taken down the whole corperation. Sony had to play it just right, to were they got the userbase they needed, and saved blu-ray, all while not taking to big of a hit on PS3 losses. Now they are in a position were they can go to the consumers and show them what the PS3 is capable of without the fear of loosing billions. so you are saying Sony planned to start sluggish when they released PS3 and have about 20% of the market then planned to have a comeback to have more market share when they can afford to make a profit on the hardware. I'm glad everything in the business world is going according to all corporate planning.

I don't think this was the plan all along. Were Sony got into trouble is when Ken Kuturagi went to far with the PS3's design. By the time they realized what he had done, all they could do was work through the mess. Personally I think they still put them selves in an even bigger whole from that point. I would have just thrown an extra 512MB of RAM into the system, and charged $999 for it at launch. This would have allowed them to have the most powerful system on the market without question, and they could have took at lot of money to market why it was so expensive since they would be selling at a profit. Instead the route they took made it so they were going to be in a hole with no way out. PS3 launched with crapy to zero promotion, and it was all down hill from there. Until now that is.

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I'd spend $999 on a computer before any gaming console lol, but I don't think you are serious though =P.

No, I am completely serious.

PS3 is an all in one entertainment machine. It is capable of everything a computer can do short of PC games. For me if any company could come out with an all in one machine that had the amount of games the PS3 has, $999 would be no sweat for me no matter what kind of money I was making. I bought the PS3 when I was making $7.63 an hour, while going to school, and paying $525 a month for rent.

If you have only the money one one display, and one box to go with it, the PS3 is the absolute best deal you can have.

Well i believe if they play their cards right they can do a lot better in the future. PS3 is badly handicapped, so i highly doubt it'll be winning the console war, but i do see it doing better later on. We still have a long way to go, so we'll see what happens, i'm quite interested to see what stone busting FFXIII will do...

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