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Slimebeast on 08 May 2009
highwaystar101 said:
Slimebeast said:
Yeah, there's hardly any freedom of speech left in Europe.

For example, you can't openly say you're against immigration because liberals and socialists will call you a racist and you will be hanged.

You have to be the only conservative swede I know lol

 

 Don't say like that lol. It's depressing. There has to be more lol.



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highwaystar101 on 08 May 2009
Slimebeast said:
highwaystar101 said:
Slimebeast said:
Yeah, there's hardly any freedom of speech left in Europe.

For example, you can't openly say you're against immigration because liberals and socialists will call you a racist and you will be hanged.

You have to be the only conservative swede I know lol

 

Don't say like that lol. It's depressing. There has to be more lol.

haha, I'm sure I've spoke to one or two others a few times if that makes you feel better

 



Aquietguy on 08 May 2009
Nirvana_Nut85 said:
Sorry for the damn spelling mistake of Britain :P. Anyways I'm glad that I live "across the pond" because the amount of "politically incorrect" jokes I tell I'd serve a life sentence.

 

Agreed. I doubt you can even tell a mamma joke over there. Nothing against the people.



SamuelRSmith on 08 May 2009
Nirvana_Nut85 said:
SamuelRSmith said:
And here was me thinking that this would be a thread about Michael Savage being banned from the UK.

Instead, I get an article citing two cases, each which happened 7 and 3 years ago respectively, and each where the people were released and later cleared.

The fact that these people were freed shows that they didn't break the laws set fourth by the Government, rather that other people misinterpreted them (particularly the school incident).

If it really was a Government initiative, don't you think they would have gone after some larger fish? Like the BNP, for example. Or some of the more right-winged news papers.

 

 No, those were just examples, which regardless was ridiculous in the first place for them to be arrested.

Now, the point of the article was to show how the British people are loosing their freedom of speech and the ridiculous of how a politically incorrect joke,ect can land you up to 7 years in jail.

But a politically incorrect joke won't land you in jail for 7 years. Hell, if we actually had these policies the BNP (British National Party) will NOT exist. Simple as that, and yet it does.

The head of the BNP is a man called Nick Griffin. An anti-semite, a holocaust denier, and a general, all round, arsehole. And, yet, he's allowed not only to say what he wants, but he often gives speeches rallying up other people, he heads a fucking political party that actually have nationalist bullshit in their manifesto. He did get arrested a few years ago because he was suspected of rallying people up to go out and basically kick the shit out of any immigrant they found, but he walked out of court a free man (despite tonnes of video evidence that went on to be broadcast on the BBC).



Nirvana_Nut85 on 08 May 2009
SamuelRSmith said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:
SamuelRSmith said:
And here was me thinking that this would be a thread about Michael Savage being banned from the UK.

Instead, I get an article citing two cases, each which happened 7 and 3 years ago respectively, and each where the people were released and later cleared.

The fact that these people were freed shows that they didn't break the laws set fourth by the Government, rather that other people misinterpreted them (particularly the school incident).

If it really was a Government initiative, don't you think they would have gone after some larger fish? Like the BNP, for example. Or some of the more right-winged news papers.

 

 No, those were just examples, which regardless was ridiculous in the first place for them to be arrested.

Now, the point of the article was to show how the British people are loosing their freedom of speech and the ridiculous of how a politically incorrect joke,ect can land you up to 7 years in jail.

But a politically incorrect joke won't land you in jail for 7 years. Hell, if we actually had these policies the BNP (British National Party) will NOT exist. Simple as that, and yet it does.

The head of the BNP is a man called Nick Griffin. An anti-semite, a holocaust denier, and a general, all round, arsehole. And, yet, he's allowed not only to say what he wants, but he often gives speeches rallying up other people, he heads a fucking political party that actually have nationalist bullshit in their manifesto. He did get arrested a few years ago because he was suspected of rallying people up to go out and basically kick the shit out of any immigrant they found, but he walked out of court a free man (despite tonnes of video evidence that went on to be broadcast on the BBC).

At this point no, but with the legaslation that they are pushing through your parliament, it will be. That is the problem. Also it apparently looks like it is going to pass as well.

 

 



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SamuelRSmith on 08 May 2009
Nirvana_Nut85 said:
SamuelRSmith said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:
SamuelRSmith said:
And here was me thinking that this would be a thread about Michael Savage being banned from the UK.

Instead, I get an article citing two cases, each which happened 7 and 3 years ago respectively, and each where the people were released and later cleared.

The fact that these people were freed shows that they didn't break the laws set fourth by the Government, rather that other people misinterpreted them (particularly the school incident).

If it really was a Government initiative, don't you think they would have gone after some larger fish? Like the BNP, for example. Or some of the more right-winged news papers.

 

 No, those were just examples, which regardless was ridiculous in the first place for them to be arrested.

Now, the point of the article was to show how the British people are loosing their freedom of speech and the ridiculous of how a politically incorrect joke,ect can land you up to 7 years in jail.

But a politically incorrect joke won't land you in jail for 7 years. Hell, if we actually had these policies the BNP (British National Party) will NOT exist. Simple as that, and yet it does.

The head of the BNP is a man called Nick Griffin. An anti-semite, a holocaust denier, and a general, all round, arsehole. And, yet, he's allowed not only to say what he wants, but he often gives speeches rallying up other people, he heads a fucking political party that actually have nationalist bullshit in their manifesto. He did get arrested a few years ago because he was suspected of rallying people up to go out and basically kick the shit out of any immigrant they found, but he walked out of court a free man (despite tonnes of video evidence that went on to be broadcast on the BBC).

At this point no, but with the legaslation that they are pushing through your parliament, it will be. That is the problem. Also it apparently looks like it is going to pass as well.

 

 

 Sorry... what legislation? Here are all the Bills going that the Government are drafting/putting through the system: http://www.commonsleader.gov.uk/output/Page2641.asp what one of them limits freedom of speech in anyway?

Actually, three of the bills (Community Empowerment Bill, Equality Bill, and the "Local Democracy, Economic Development and Construction Bill") all serve to increase democracy, freedom and equality in the UK. Two of the Bills actually serve to reduce the Government's power - and that's not the first time that Labour have done that since they got in power (this is in argument to the totalitarian stuff, not the freedom of speech stuff, btw):

- The Constitutional Reform Act of last year heavily reduced the amount of influence that the legislature have over the judiciary. Before, all of the Law Lords (the highest court in the UK - much like the Supreme Court in the US) sat in the House of Lords (the upper chamber of Parliament), this meant that the two pillars had a hell of a load of overlapping. Now, they've lost their ability to vote on bills, and once the current set of Law Lords die, no further judge will have a seat in the House of Lords.

- The Freedom of Information Act: this means that we, the people, can demand to know everything but the most top secret of information from the Government. Increasing transparency hardly seems totalitarian, and neither does....

- Reducing the power of the Government. Labour have devolved many Governmental powers to other, completely individual bodies. They've created a Scottish Parliament and a Welsh Assembly, whilst also creating a London Assembly and introducing the concept of elected Mayors to several towns and cities (they wanted to devolve more of their powers, but it got blocked in a referendum).

- And, finally (from what I can think of), Labour introduced the Human Rights Act. This means that, for the first time, the European Convention on Human Rights was actually incorporated into British law. Which, really, is the complete reverse to what you are suggesting.



SciFiBoy on 08 May 2009
SamuelRSmith said:

 Sorry... what legislation? Here are all the Bills going that the Government are drafting/putting through the system: http://www.commonsleader.gov.uk/output/Page2641.asp what one of them limits freedom of speech in anyway?

Actually, three of the bills (Community Empowerment Bill, Equality Bill, and the "Local Democracy, Economic Development and Construction Bill") all serve to increase democracy, freedom and equality in the UK. Two of the Bills actually serve to reduce the Government's power - and that's not the first time that Labour have done that since they got in power (this is in argument to the totalitarian stuff, not the freedom of speech stuff, btw):

- The Constitutional Reform Act of last year heavily reduced the amount of influence that the legislature have over the judiciary. Before, all of the Law Lords (the highest court in the UK - much like the Supreme Court in the US) sat in the House of Lords (the upper chamber of Parliament), this meant that the two pillars had a hell of a load of overlapping. Now, they've lost their ability to vote on bills, and once the current set of Law Lords die, no further judge will have a seat in the House of Lords.

- The Freedom of Information Act: this means that we, the people, can demand to know everything but the most top secret of information from the Government. Increasing transparency hardly seems totalitarian, and neither does....

- Reducing the power of the Government. Labour have devolved many Governmental powers to other, completely individual bodies. They've created a Scottish Parliament and a Welsh Assembly, whilst also creating a London Assembly and introducing the concept of elected Mayors to several towns and cities (they wanted to devolve more of their powers, but it got blocked in a referendum).

- And, finally (from what I can think of), Labour introduced the Human Rights Act. This means that, for the first time, the European Convention on Human Rights was actually incorporated into British law. Which, really, is the complete reverse to what you are suggesting.

 

hey, is it true that the Coroners and Justice act will make many 18 rated games and 15/18 rated anime/tv shows/films illegal?

someone posted a big thing saying it would on a forum that i use, can you clarify what it will/wont do?



SamuelRSmith on 08 May 2009

Here's the details of the Bill - http://www.commonsleader.gov.uk/output/page2655.asp

Contains absolutely nothing on media censorship.



SciFiBoy on 08 May 2009
SamuelRSmith said:
Here's the details of the Bill - http://www.commonsleader.gov.uk/output/page2655.asp

Contains absolutely nothing on media censorship.

 

oh, ok, thanks, clearly the poster on the other forums was confused



Tyrannical on 09 May 2009
SciFiBoy said:

how can it not be Racist to refuse someone entry to your country based soley on the fact they werent born there?

 

 

What can be said for a man who would allow his home to be invaded by strangers who demanded they be fed, clothed, housed and granted the rights of the first-born? What can be said for a ruling elite that permits this to be done to the nation, and who celebrate it as a milestone of moral progress? --Pat Buchanan
The seething racial resentment in the Third World against the West -- decades after independence and trillions in foreign aid -- should cause second thoughts about opening our borders to mass immigration from that world. Not everyone coming here brings in his heart the passionate attachment to America we attribute to the peoples of Ellis Island. -- Pat Buchanan


Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire