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outlawauron on 24 April 2009
Soundwave said:

The point I don't think that's a really sustainable way to build hardware momentum. It's the exact same strategy more or less that Nintendo tried on the GameCube. 

Both Nintendo and Sony have screwed up the console market in Japan and their release schedules are terrible, though Nintendo's is looking half-way decent for the 2nd half of the year and the Wii has had some proven success in Japan earlier on. 

If there isn't a major change, Japan will be basically a portable only market soon enough. 

So why exactly, because there isn't too much difference.

WSR - Wii owners already have Wii Sports and many others sports minigames collections

Tales of Graces - This will be the second Tales game on the console

MH3 - The hardcore fans already bought a Wii for the demo (same argument starcraft gave for the PS3 and ACC)

Wii Fit Plus - Why would an add-on to a peripheral boost Wii sales?

Winter Olympics - The fanbase already has a Wii when they bought Summer Olympics.

I can use the same argument against you, and it doesn't hold up.



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outlawauron on 24 April 2009
Soundwave said:
BengaBenga said:
Soriku said:
BengaBenga said:
outlawauron said:
Soriku said:
Yeah I remember you and me talking about a HSG6 in a news article once.

I wonder if they'll announce that anytime. But I'd think if they do it'd be at TGS and release in 2010.

That and we're due for another Dynasty Warriors.

Sony really does have a shot of doing very well this holiday.

Dynasty Warriors 3 will be on Wii.

Samurai Warriors 3, not DW3.

Oh yeah that's right.

So Samurai Warriors is the spin off of Dysnasty Warriors, which is the spin off of Romance... and each of those have numerous side games as well...

LOL, I lost track of this series a long time ago. Aren't there Gundam themed spin offs also?

Yes there are.

We have Romance of the Three Kingdoms first and foremost. Dynasty Warriors is the most popular series however.

That spawned Samurai Warriors which takes place in Japan and is less popular than Dynasty Warriors.

We also the Orochi series which combines SW and DW.

And recently we have Dynaty Warriors: Gundam. DW gameplay with mechs.

Lastly, you have the Strategy series Kessen.



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Soundwave on 24 April 2009
outlawauron said:
Soundwave said:

The point I don't think that's a really sustainable way to build hardware momentum. It's the exact same strategy more or less that Nintendo tried on the GameCube. 

Both Nintendo and Sony have screwed up the console market in Japan and their release schedules are terrible, though Nintendo's is looking half-way decent for the 2nd half of the year and the Wii has had some proven success in Japan earlier on. 

If there isn't a major change, Japan will be basically a portable only market soon enough. 

So why exactly, because there isn't too much difference.

WSR - Wii owners already have Wii Sports and many others sports minigames collections

Tales of Graces - This will be the second Tales game on the console

MH3 - The hardcore fans already bought a Wii for the demo (same argument starcraft gave for the PS3 and ACC)

Wii Fit Plus - Why would an add-on to a peripheral boost Wii sales?

Winter Olympics - The fanbase already has a Wii when they bought Summer Olympics.

I can use the same argument against you, and it doesn't hold up.

What is the argument again? That PS3 and Wii are some how equal all of the sudden? 

If I'm playing you in basketball and I'm beating you 8 to 3, even if you scored the last basket, I still consider that an ass kicking. 

The PS3 has never proven it can sell 30k+ a week for any sustained stretch in Japan. Never. Not even in this first half of the year where Nintendo has basically rolled over for them and they've had multiple big game releases. 

The Wii on the other hand has done that for most of its life span in Japan. With meager third party support to date at that. 

They are not in the same situation, spin it all you want. 

 



outlawauron on 24 April 2009
Soundwave said:
outlawauron said:
Soundwave said:

The point I don't think that's a really sustainable way to build hardware momentum. It's the exact same strategy more or less that Nintendo tried on the GameCube. 

Both Nintendo and Sony have screwed up the console market in Japan and their release schedules are terrible, though Nintendo's is looking half-way decent for the 2nd half of the year and the Wii has had some proven success in Japan earlier on. 

If there isn't a major change, Japan will be basically a portable only market soon enough. 

So why exactly, because there isn't too much difference.

WSR - Wii owners already have Wii Sports and many others sports minigames collections

Tales of Graces - This will be the second Tales game on the console

MH3 - The hardcore fans already bought a Wii for the demo (same argument starcraft gave for the PS3 and ACC)

Wii Fit Plus - Why would an add-on to a peripheral boost Wii sales?

Winter Olympics - The fanbase already has a Wii when they bought Summer Olympics.

I can use the same argument against you, and it doesn't hold up.

What is the argument again? That PS3 and Wii are some how equal all of the sudden? 

If I'm playing you in basketball and I'm beating you 8 to 3, even if you scored the last basket, I still consider that an ass kicking. 

The PS3 has never proven it can sell 30k+ a week for any sustained stretch in Japan. Never. Not even in this first half of the year where Nintendo has basically rolled over for them and they've had multiple big game releases. 

The Wii on the other hand has done that for most of its life span in Japan. With meager third party support to date at that. 

They are not in the same situation, spin it all you want. 

You said that Nintendo and Sony are relying on past games to boost hardware. (As in HSG6 boosting sales, etc.)

You then go to say that Nintendo's second half is better, and I'm pointing out that they're both quite dreary.



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Soundwave on 24 April 2009
outlawauron said:
Soundwave said:
outlawauron said:
Soundwave said:

The point I don't think that's a really sustainable way to build hardware momentum. It's the exact same strategy more or less that Nintendo tried on the GameCube. 

Both Nintendo and Sony have screwed up the console market in Japan and their release schedules are terrible, though Nintendo's is looking half-way decent for the 2nd half of the year and the Wii has had some proven success in Japan earlier on. 

If there isn't a major change, Japan will be basically a portable only market soon enough. 

So why exactly, because there isn't too much difference.

WSR - Wii owners already have Wii Sports and many others sports minigames collections

Tales of Graces - This will be the second Tales game on the console

MH3 - The hardcore fans already bought a Wii for the demo (same argument starcraft gave for the PS3 and ACC)

Wii Fit Plus - Why would an add-on to a peripheral boost Wii sales?

Winter Olympics - The fanbase already has a Wii when they bought Summer Olympics.

I can use the same argument against you, and it doesn't hold up.

What is the argument again? That PS3 and Wii are some how equal all of the sudden? 

If I'm playing you in basketball and I'm beating you 8 to 3, even if you scored the last basket, I still consider that an ass kicking. 

The PS3 has never proven it can sell 30k+ a week for any sustained stretch in Japan. Never. Not even in this first half of the year where Nintendo has basically rolled over for them and they've had multiple big game releases. 

The Wii on the other hand has done that for most of its life span in Japan. With meager third party support to date at that. 

They are not in the same situation, spin it all you want. 

You said that Nintendo and Sony are relying on past games to boost hardware. (As in HSG6 boosting sales, etc.)

You then go to say that Nintendo's second half is better, and I'm pointing out that they're both quite dreary.

 

Wii Sports Resort and Wii Fit Plus are likely to sell 5-6+ combined. And probably a good from Monster Hunter 3. And FF Crystal Bearers. And maybe Pikmin 3. 

If that's dreary than somehow Nintendo managed to sell 8 million consoles with a lineup that was putrid. Dreary would be a step up. 

Nintendo is the harder one to gauge because they also now don't even announce games until like a month before release. 



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MGS4COD4HALO3 on 24 April 2009

Capcom should know already that third party games doesn't do well on the wii. They should port it over to the psp and try to make some money.



Soundwave on 24 April 2009
MGS4COD4HALO3 said:
Capcom should know already that third party games doesn't do well on the wii. They should port it over to the psp and try to make some money.

 

LOL, they're going to sell at least 200,000 copies of Monster Hunter G on the Wii for doing nothing but porting an ancient PS2 game. 

That's pure profit. If they don't want that money, I'll gladly take it off their hands. 



outlawauron on 24 April 2009
Soundwave said:
outlawauron said:
Soundwave said:

What is the argument again? That PS3 and Wii are some how equal all of the sudden? 

If I'm playing you in basketball and I'm beating you 8 to 3, even if you scored the last basket, I still consider that an ass kicking. 

The PS3 has never proven it can sell 30k+ a week for any sustained stretch in Japan. Never. Not even in this first half of the year where Nintendo has basically rolled over for them and they've had multiple big game releases. 

The Wii on the other hand has done that for most of its life span in Japan. With meager third party support to date at that. 

They are not in the same situation, spin it all you want. 

You said that Nintendo and Sony are relying on past games to boost hardware. (As in HSG6 boosting sales, etc.)

You then go to say that Nintendo's second half is better, and I'm pointing out that they're both quite dreary.

Wii Sports Resort and Wii Fit Plus are likely to sell 5-6+ combined. And probably a good from Monster Hunter 3. And FF Crystal Bearers. And maybe Pikmin 3. 

If that's dreary than somehow Nintendo managed to sell 8 million consoles with a lineup that was putrid. Dreary would be a step up. 

Nintendo is the harder one to gauge because they also now don't even announce games until like a month before release. 

Look, I'm not talking about overall software sales. I know they will all sell well. We are talking about software pushing hardware.

And yes, both consoles have a dreary software line up for the second half of the year. (Note: MH 3 releasing in June is not in the second half)



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SaviorX on 24 April 2009
Soundwave said:
MGS4COD4HALO3 said:
Capcom should know already that third party games doesn't do well on the wii. They should port it over to the psp and try to make some money.

 

LOL, they're going to sell at least 200,000 copies of Monster Hunter G on the Wii for doing nothing but porting an ancient PS2 game. 

That's pure profit. If they don't want that money, I'll gladly take it off their hands. 

200k is being conservative too. If 3rd party gams don't do well on the Wii, why did Taiko no Tatsujin Wii sell 500k in japan alone?

 

I want to hear the excuses.

 



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Soundwave on 24 April 2009
outlawauron said:
Soundwave said:
outlawauron said:
Soundwave said:

What is the argument again? That PS3 and Wii are some how equal all of the sudden? 

If I'm playing you in basketball and I'm beating you 8 to 3, even if you scored the last basket, I still consider that an ass kicking. 

The PS3 has never proven it can sell 30k+ a week for any sustained stretch in Japan. Never. Not even in this first half of the year where Nintendo has basically rolled over for them and they've had multiple big game releases. 

The Wii on the other hand has done that for most of its life span in Japan. With meager third party support to date at that. 

They are not in the same situation, spin it all you want. 

You said that Nintendo and Sony are relying on past games to boost hardware. (As in HSG6 boosting sales, etc.)

You then go to say that Nintendo's second half is better, and I'm pointing out that they're both quite dreary.

Wii Sports Resort and Wii Fit Plus are likely to sell 5-6+ combined. And probably a good from Monster Hunter 3. And FF Crystal Bearers. And maybe Pikmin 3. 

If that's dreary than somehow Nintendo managed to sell 8 million consoles with a lineup that was putrid. Dreary would be a step up. 

Nintendo is the harder one to gauge because they also now don't even announce games until like a month before release. 

Look, I'm not talking about overall software sales. I know they will all sell well. We are talking about software pushing hardware.

And yes, both consoles have a dreary software line up for the second half of the year. (Note: MH 3 releasing in June is not in the second half)

 

Is Monster Hunter 3 confirmed for June? That would actually be pretty ideal for Nintendo, they will be able to build momentum with a WSR + MH3 one-two punch. 

The Wii has shown all it needs is one hot game to sell decent hardware numbers and can sustain that for a long stretch. 

The PS3 is the one that has never been able to consistently sell above 20k at any point in its life span. The PS3 is the one that spikes and then drops a week or two later, we've seen this pattern again and again and again, and you will see it again. 

The Wii has a better shot if Nintendo plays their cards right. I will say outright if the Wii fizzles in Japan ... the console industry there in general is done.