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kber81 said: vanguardian1 said: I'll just end it with this : If the Wii tried to use the Home style graphics and interface with a regular gamepad, the wii would practically be dying already. I'd bet money on this statement. Wii sports would not be a system seller anywhere near what it is now. Be aware this works both ways. I believe Home is accurrate for PS3 oriented gamers and talking about things like "And Sony's Home definitely doesn't appeal to crowds of people like the Mii system does." is a bit exaggerate. It's like The Sims - but this is YOU in the game. You can date, play and so. Possibilities are impressive - why it's so damn difficult for Nintendo fanboys to admit it.
Tell me why pop songs are more marketable than niche genres like indie and adult contemporary and I'll tell you how the Mii are more marketable than Home.
BTW I don't believe there is a need to attract non-gamers. Sony has massive base of users and they know what the audience needs. Home is one of the answers. PS3 follows the lagacy of PS2. Same style but better - games will arrive. Gamers will follow.
Most of them couldnt care less about the Sony brand(or any brand. I think only Nintendo has the luxury of fervent loyalty), they all care about the shovelwares and massive numbers of mediocre games usually found in dominant systems :)
You can't afford for PS3 but is it enough to criticize? Does Lexus suck too?
No, but the price certainly sucks. Then I'll go ahead and buy a Camry and make it the most popular car again.



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kber81 said: vanguardian1 said: I'll just end it with this : If the Wii tried to use the Home style graphics and interface with a regular gamepad, the wii would practically be dying already. I'd bet money on this statement. Wii sports would not be a system seller anywhere near what it is now. Be aware this works both ways. I believe Home is accurrate for PS3 oriented gamers and talking about things like "And Sony's Home definitely doesn't appeal to crowds of people like the Mii system does." is a bit exaggerate. It's like The Sims - but this is YOU in the game. You can date, play and so. Possibilities are impressive - why it's so damn difficult for Nintendo fanboys to admit it. EDIT: BTW I don't believe there is a need to attract non-gamers. Sony has massive base of users and they know what the audience needs. Home is one of the answers. PS3 follows the lagacy of PS2. Same style but better - games will arrive. Gamers will follow.
This large userbase is based on the casual gamers. you can´t say they don´t need casual gamers when casual gamers "sold" the PS2 the last two years! Look at the 360: It is not doing bad but it is just aiming for the hardcore crowd. Result: Mediocre sales, even though a hell lot of hardcore gamers already own a 360.



Be aware this works both ways. I believe Home is accurrate for PS3 oriented gamers and talking about things like "And Sony's Home definitely doesn't appeal to crowds of people like the Mii system does." is a bit exaggerate. It's like The Sims - but this is YOU in the game. You can date, play and so. Possibilities are impressive - why it's so damn difficult for Nintendo fanboys to admit it.
Yes, the possibilities ARE interesting, I didn't question that.
BTW I don't believe there is a need to attract non-gamers.
Then even outside of cost, the PS3 will be lucky to hit *well* under 50 million in 6 years. Let me give you a hint as to what's crushing the PS2's sales records. It's a little thing called a DS that's moderately attracting to dedicated gamers but also very attracting to casual and non-gamers. At it's current sales pace, it will surpass PS2's install base in Japan somewhere between August and October, it's current install base was achieved in half the time it took the PS2 to reach. Yes, it's a handheld console, not a home console but it still proves that casual and non-gamers are also willing to buy games and hardware.
Sony has massive base of users and they know what the audience needs. Home is one of the answers. PS3 follows the lagacy of PS2. Same style but better - games will arrive. Gamers will follow.
Yep, Sony has a massive base of users with the PS2. Too bad they've alienated most of them with the PS3's current setup. The only people they're offering with the PS3 right now (and the forseeable future) are technologists, big sony fans, and gamers expecting the PS3 to repeat the PS2's sucess. The PS3's current software selection (and that of the next few months) is definitely catered more to "hardcore" gamers than the wii's, but it's just as small and lacking variety as well. The PS3 requires a much larger amount of investment from both consumers and developers, meaning that both are going to have significantly lower total investment into the console, meaning fewer people buying the console, and fewer games being developed for the console. In the meantime on the Wii we have developer after developer announcing support, several of which having new IP's for the Wii. EA has several new IP's for it, Capcom announced several in development, Konami as well (a new DDR, Dewey, and an unnamed RPG, I'm praying it's Suikoden), Ubisoft has done some decent games and ports (Red Steel was far better than most people give it credit for) and has more in store for Wii. Square-Enix is putting one of it's biggest series onto the DS now, and unless sony plays some better cards, more series from them may not appear on PS3 as well, and since Japan isn't a viable market for the 360, that leaves Wii. Several noteable developers in Japan from various companies just announced a joint-effort for a new Wii IP exclusive, codenamed "Project O". Developers are taking notice, and as a result the Wii has had more "new upcoming game" announcements from developers than PS3 or 360 has had this year. On http://www.gamasutra.com/ , a game developer website, there's been ad after ad of various developers looking for people to program for "gamecube/wii" games these last few months. Right now the dealer/consumer just reshuffled the deck, and so far Sony's hand isn't looking too good at the moment. We'll see just how well the dealer starts this hand on Thursday when the Febuary NPD for North America comes out, and we'll also be able to see the after effects of the "Gundabump" in japan. Someday I'll get a PS3, when it comes down to the price of a regular game console. Until then, they can keep the console and let it collect dust on the store shelves for all I care.



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Today is the best time of Wii - new, white, creative and so on. There will not be a better year for Wii then 2007. This is marathon not a sprint. 6-10 years for a system. Lamers or Gamers. We will see.



kber81 said: Today is the best time of Wii - new, white, creative and so on. There will not be a better year for Wii then 2007. This is marathon not a sprint. 6-10 years for a system. Lamers or Gamers. We will see.
Actually, the way the announcements keep coming, and with sales starting to look the way they are, 2008 may be even better. :)



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kber81 said: Today is the best time of Wii - new, white, creative and so on. There will not be a better year for Wii then 2007. This is marathon not a sprint. 6-10 years for a system. Lamers or Gamers. We will see.
Exactly. And the Wii is able to compete in a marathon rather than the PS3 - one non game will sell the Wii half a year, Final Fantasy will sell the PS3 about 2 weeks in Japan.



jaridas said: In regards to Square. I think people have the relationship the wrong way around. Square will support the winning console. They have always had this attitude. It helps the steamroll effect of the winning console but the console has already taken the market by that point.
Yeah, people always seem to forget that most of Square's games get released later into the life of a console when it's victory is almost ensured ... Final Fantasy X was released in the week ending July 21st 2001 in Japan ... ( 73 weeks after the PS2 launched ); at the time the PS2 had already sold over 5 Million Console's in Japan which is as much as any non-winning home console has sold in Japan in its life. --------------------------------------------------------------- Seriously, how many of the following consoles is it good to be performing nearly as bad or worse than? Dreamcast: http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=DC&name2=PS3&type=2&align=0 http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=DC&name2=PS3&type=3&align=0 N64: http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=N64&name2=PS3&type=2&align=0 http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=N64&name2=PS3&type=3&align=0 Gamecube: http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=GC&name2=PS3&type=2&align=0 http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=GC&name2=PS3&type=3&align=0 PSP: http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=PSP&name2=PS3&type=2&align=0 http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=PSP&name2=PS3&type=3&align=0



Goodness, I didn't know all those systems sold better than the PS3 in their first 17 weeks.



 

  

 

HappySqurriel said: jaridas said: In regards to Square. I think people have the relationship the wrong way around. Square will support the winning console. They have always had this attitude. It helps the steamroll effect of the winning console but the console has already taken the market by that point. Yeah, people always seem to forget that most of Square's games get released later into the life of a console when it's victory is almost ensured ... Final Fantasy X was released in the week ending July 21st 2001 in Japan ... ( 73 weeks after the PS2 launched ); at the time the PS2 had already sold over 5 Million Console's in Japan which is as much as any non-winning home console has sold in Japan in its life. --------------------------------------------------------------- Seriously, how many of the following consoles is it good to be performing nearly as bad or worse than? Dreamcast: http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=DC&name2=PS3&type=2&align=0 http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=DC&name2=PS3&type=3&align=0 N64: http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=N64&name2=PS3&type=2&align=0 http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=N64&name2=PS3&type=3&align=0 Gamecube: http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=GC&name2=PS3&type=2&align=0 http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=GC&name2=PS3&type=3&align=0 PSP: http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=PSP&name2=PS3&type=2&align=0 http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=PSP&name2=PS3&type=3&align=0
Mmm ,the PSP has already exceeded 5 million and in only two years .An it isnt exactly winning ,in fact Japan is its worst market specially software-wise . And Saturn and the N64 made more than 5 million (altough not by much ) . Are you sure you arent making numbers with your ass ?? One more thing ;Sony is a sensible shareholder of Square Enix . I am not arguing your point ,its normal that if the Nintendo plattform wipes out the floor with the competition Squares games would appear on that one .Just that your numbers are wrong and you arent taking in count some things .FFIII and DQ Joker have managed 1 million each ,very good numbers but not in the big DS games league and not in the FF and DQ league ....I think Square will be careful not to put all its hardcore games in a plattform suited to non-games ....from where the "serious games " announced in GDC .



Diomedes1976 said: HappySqurriel said: jaridas said: In regards to Square. I think people have the relationship the wrong way around. Square will support the winning console. They have always had this attitude. It helps the steamroll effect of the winning console but the console has already taken the market by that point. Yeah, people always seem to forget that most of Square's games get released later into the life of a console when it's victory is almost ensured ... Final Fantasy X was released in the week ending July 21st 2001 in Japan ... ( 73 weeks after the PS2 launched ); at the time the PS2 had already sold over 5 Million Console's in Japan which is as much as any non-winning home console has sold in Japan in its life. --------------------------------------------------------------- Seriously, how many of the following consoles is it good to be performing nearly as bad or worse than? Dreamcast: http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=DC&name2=PS3&type=2&align=0 http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=DC&name2=PS3&type=3&align=0 N64: http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=N64&name2=PS3&type=2&align=0 http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=N64&name2=PS3&type=3&align=0 Gamecube: http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=GC&name2=PS3&type=2&align=0 http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=GC&name2=PS3&type=3&align=0 PSP: http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=PSP&name2=PS3&type=2&align=0 http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=PSP&name2=PS3&type=3&align=0 Mmm ,the PSP has already exceeded 5 million and in only two years .An it isnt exactly winning ,in fact Japan is its worst market specially software-wise . And Saturn and the N64 made more than 5 million (altough not by much ) . Are you sure you arent making numbers with your ass ?? One more thing ;Sony is a sensible shareholder of Square Enix . I am not arguing your point ,its normal that if the Nintendo plattform wipes out the floor with the competition Squares games would appear on that one .Just that your numbers are wrong and you arent taking in count some things .FFIII and DQ Joker have managed 1 million each ,very good numbers but not in the big DS games league and not in the FF and DQ league ....I think Square will be careful not to put all its hardcore games in a plattform suited to non-games ....from where the "serious games " announced in GDC .
Well, FF3 was a remake and not high ranked in Japan. It sold 1 million copies though. Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker was just a spinn-of of the DQ franchise and wasn´t expected to sell 4 million copies. But it probably will reach the 2 million mark which is pretty good for a side story. I expect Dragon Quest 9 to sell 4 million copies in Japan. Back to topic: It´s true Square will just release a lot of titles on the PS3 if the console sells well enough. And Sony will have a hard time to remain number one in Japan...