What TheRealMafoo said is true, nice guys are great... Weak guys aren't though. We women want to feel like you can protect us.

Good point, but ... not all of them love nice. I have a cousin who likes roughneck dudes. She would rather have a violent dude than a man who would treat her right. Unfortunately, I know several women like that. I even know some nice women who think they deserve a thug and not a man who will treat her right.

In the article, the guy running alongside the subway was way too geeky and clingy. That would creep me out big time.

I do think most women say they want a nice guy - but the nice guy tends to come off as someone that's good for safe keeping later. Not caring or being unpredictable are attractive traits initially, but get old quick.

I think you are confusing nice with non assertive. You can be nice, but you also have to assertive enough to go and ask the girl out or to tell them what you want when it comes down to relationship stuff.

I can imagine a "nice" guy hanging out with a girl, but never really having the guts to say anything to her, even though he really REALLY wants to date her. The girl, probably 90% of the time, will probably be oblivious to his feelings of affection, and will end up with another guy who will be assertive enough to express his feelings and stuff.

So its not the "nice" part that kills the nice guy, its the "self confidence" part that usually screws him over. You can still be an "alpha male" assertive type and also be a nice guy. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.

LOL. I ended up hitting my stride when I just didn't care. Not sloppy, but treat all of my co-workers the same. I tend to be real - not overconfident, but I'm like 'What you see is what you get.' I have no reason to holla at anyone since I'm married - however, I have noticed if you flirt and show just a wii bit of interest, especially with very attractive women, that goes a long way. I haven't acted desperate since college. I was still finding my way. Now? Pfft. I know the path.

Nice post. I had a good friend back in the day tell me she wasn't attracted to me, but was attracted to my self-confidence. I was nearly killed back in the day in a bad church van crash. After that, I live every day like its my last. Shoot, I would holla - and holla - and if a woman said 'No' or played games, I'd move on. I actually got props for my confidence - with wearing the pink boots to wearing some Dickies overalls at work - and catchin' major ribbin' - but I didn't care. I wore it - for me. And to be able to pull it off requires confidence. Believing in yourself. And the opposite sex loves it.

Some woman like to be knocked around. They actively seek out abusive men.

Yep you can be too nice. Several of my mates have been the "nice" guys before and the few relationships they got when they functioned in that capacity were short lived and a waste of time.

Heck I was the "nice" guy once. Same result. I don't even know why I was the nice guy during that time in my life as generally I'm a tool in real life lol.

Yeah - I know a few like that. But doggone, even them, can come around. I saw one woman that was whipped - she left her husband, got a divorce and regrouped. A man came into her life and helped heal her wounds. And married her. Awesome catch for him.

In the end, if a person wants to change, they will. I am of the mindset a woman or man is where they wanna be. I have told my wife - baby, if you want to leave, I will not stop you. Why should I try and keep someone some place they don't wanna be?

There's another reason why nice guys get own3d - the women are hella shallow. They find the rockstars, thugs to be a challenge and not interested in small talk. I have seen dudes talk a woman's head off. Me? It's a time and place for everything. I have no fear talking to any woman. But them being shallow - that happens a lot. A nice guy's interests may very well overshadow her going out with friends all the time.

well rockstars sort of exhibit some of those self confident "alpha male" qualities that women seem to find attractive: assertive, knows what he likes, sort of does his own thing and doesn't care what other people think, etc. etc.

They seem to also overlook the jerky abusive part about some of those rockstar types as well.