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Max King of the Wild said:
Jeronimo66 said:
And like I posted in other threads the reason I think the Gap was closed last month was because the 360 is having hardware shortages worldwide.

I know some people won't want to hear that but that is a strong possibility.


dear lord please stop... 360 never had shortages in its existance why the hell would MS not be able to manufacture 180k 360s weekly. the possibility of shortages is like .01%

 

 

Well first of all I am not trolling, my response is directly related to this thread, 

second no one here said selling 50K more after 31 days being half priced in it's strongest territory is a good thing, all I have said is the 360 still outsold the PS3.

thirdly I remember 360 having shortages after holiday 2007 in america, and Microsoft came out and said it, but as usual people claimed bull, and yet one of my friends was shopping around for a 360 at that time here in new york city and all he could find were ARCADES, I then called my local gamestop here in queens, new york city and they said they were only none left and we had to wait for the next shippment,

After tales of vesperia and infinite undiscovery came out 360 sales got a boost then the 360 started having shortages in Japan, microsoft once again came out and said they were having shortages in Japan, people again claimed bull, 360 sales took a huge dip, retailers in Japan were also reported to have low 360 numbers people still claimed bull, then some people started celebrating the low sales of the 360 for that week, microsoft said they were sending another batch to Japan I knew microsoft was happy to make that anouncement, the next week sales shot up again, even more so because of the price cut.

I believe microsoft stopped making anouncements for shortages because even if they do people will claim bull, 360 sales dropped to 4000 units 2 weeks ago I thought it was hardware shortages as soon as I saw it, some people once again started celebrating, hoping 360 sales would stay that way, this past week sales practically doubled, I believe 360 sold 7500 last week.

The past is the reason why I believe 360 is having shortages, Microsoft sold 8 million 360s worldwide between the month of september 2008 and february 2009, due to the price cut, thats 8 million consoles in 6 months, I am thinking maybe just maybe they are having shortages now in the month of march, but hey call me a crazy fanboy, whatever.

 



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It will never end will it? At first it was PS3 will crush the 360 upon launch. That didn't happen so it became, PS3 will crush the 360 by the end of the first year. That didn't happen so it became, PS3 will crush the 360 at the end of the second year. That didn't happen so it became, PS3 will crush the 360 in 2009. I'm doubting that last one.

And then add to the fact the PS3 is barely even competing world wide and is way behind at this point.

Yet its excuses excuses excuses, bladdy bladdy blah.

See, I never thought the 360 would crush the PS3. In the back of my head a dreaded another Dreamcast fiasco, quality system crushed by Sony hype. Not many 360 fans that I've seen stated the 360 would dominate either... it just started happening.

Accept it, PS3 is behind. Does that make it a bad system? Of course not but at least face facts and stop eagerly awaiting your "told you so" moment every time the PS3 sales a few extra one week. Stop blaming price points, head starts and Halo fans. Just effing accept it. And honestly, like I said before even if the PS3 outsells it at some point, years from now, what does it matter then. By the time the generation ends it won't mean squat if system A sold slightly more than system B.

Sony made the choice to go the Neo Geo pricing route and they are suffering for it. Nintendo made the choice to go dirt cheap and they are winning. Even with a price drop the PS3 has so much lost ground to gain. I'm not saying its not possible, I'm just saying realistically we can already prognosticate the rest of this generation from the first half of it. And that's not fanboyism that's logic. If it was fanboy speak I would be saying the 360 is going to crush the Wii any day now, which is obviously fantasy.



Dark Chaos said:
dbot said:
Dark Chaos said:
Max King of the Wild said:
360 trolls - 50k more after 31 days being half priced in its strongest territory is NOT good no matter how you wanna spin it

 

I hate this half priced crap that PS3 fanboys always use. SONY decided to load the PS3 with features like Online and Wifi and HDD while MS gives you the option. So its SONYs fault. I love how for the PS2 AMericas was  huge region now the PS3 is still less that half of 360.

And now the gap has been reduced to only being outsold by 50k. YEA!!! Only 8 660 000 consoles behind in Americas. PS3 FTW!!!!

Whether you love it or hate it, Max is right.  The 360 is half the price of the PS3 and it is underperforming in sales.   

 

 

is the 360 is underperforming what is the PS3 doing considering it is the successor to the PS2?? Failing Epically

It is because of the PS2 that the PS3 is the first console ever to sell over 21 million units at a $400 price point.  Marketshare is irrelevant this generation, the Wii has already won it.  What has Sony lost other than marketshare?  They still get all of the third party games that the 360 has, in fact they are getting some third party exclusives, and they still publish outstanding first party titles.  So the 360 sells 50k more than the PS3 in March, big deal.  MS generated half the console revenues than the PS3.  In 2009 the 360 fans can enjoy their minor marketshare victories, and the PS3 fans will enjoy an outstanding gaming experience.  That doesn't sound like an epic fail to me.

 



Thanks for the input, Jeff.

 

 

shortages were bull . i even made a thread about it. ill quickly rehash it

1. it was only the pro recieving shortages

2 sales never increased after supposed shortages were taken care of.

this has only two possibilities. the shortages never hindered sales and MS were able to keep up with deman (is that considered shortages? i wouldnt) or people just accepted a different model... again not hindering sales.

MS was getting beat by a much higher priced system by a decent margin ,onth after month in their best territory so instead of say 'we suck' they made up an excuse and blamed it on shortages. they expected gta4 to be the point when 360 outsold the ps3 again but it wasnt.



Max King of the Wild said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Dark Chaos said:
Max King of the Wild said:
360 trolls - 50k more after 31 days being half priced in its strongest territory is NOT good no matter how you wanna spin it

 

I hate this half priced crap that PS3 fanboys always use. SONY decided to load the PS3 with features like Online and Wifi and HDD while MS gives you the option. So its SONYs fault. I love how for the PS2 AMericas was  huge region now the PS3 is still less that half of 360.

And now the gap has been reduced to only being outsold by 50k. YEA!!! Only 8 660 000 consoles behind in Americas. PS3 FTW!!!!


dude you need to really wake up from your MS trip. noone said it wasnt sonys fault but price is definatly a factor. if it werent than the ps3 would be constantly outselling the 360 week in week out like it was doing handily (by a wider margin than the 360 is doing right now) last year before 360 recieved a price reduction. and those options you are talking about arent for the best intrest to the consumer but a way for MS to nickle and dime them when they find out they need that extra shit to play online or not go through batteries so often


 

 

Dude the 360 has a play and charge kit that you can buy for $20 and it lasted me for 2 and a half years, all I had to do was buy another battery after the first one died and it only cost me $10 bucks.

Second all those additions you are talking about, all I see is wi fi, if you buy the arcade now, you can get a 60gig harddrive, an ethernet cable and an HD component cable and a headset for 99 dollars, all the things that come in the pro unit.

If you buy the pro unit you have everything you need for 299, not everybody uses wifi.

and people never mention the things the PS3 does not come with, (HD component cables, a headset or an ethernet cable) not every one have a wireless adapter, if you don't you need to either buy a wireless adapter or buy an ethernet cable, all that is worth another 80- 100 bucks extra, so if you want to go online PS3 is going to cost you 480 - 500 dollars.

While the 360 is going to cost you 400 if you need wifi, if you don't 360 costs you 299.



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dbot said:
Dark Chaos said:
Max King of the Wild said:
360 trolls - 50k more after 31 days being half priced in its strongest territory is NOT good no matter how you wanna spin it

 

I hate this half priced crap that PS3 fanboys always use. SONY decided to load the PS3 with features like Online and Wifi and HDD while MS gives you the option. So its SONYs fault. I love how for the PS2 AMericas was  huge region now the PS3 is still less that half of 360.

And now the gap has been reduced to only being outsold by 50k. YEA!!! Only 8 660 000 consoles behind in Americas. PS3 FTW!!!!

Whether you love it or hate it, Max is right.  The 360 is half the price of the PS3 and it is underperforming in sales.   

 

 

 Well how can you say the Xbox360 is underperforming? Without any spin here are the hard facts:

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 03rd Jan 2009 to 04th Apr 2009:

Console X360
America
1,332,713
Japan
147,531
Total Others
1,380,265

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 05th Jan 2008 to 05th Apr 2008:


Console X360
America
982,774
Japan
54,795
Total Others
869,656

 

So for the first 3 months:

The Xbox360 is up 35.60% YoY in America.
The Xbox360 is up 169.24% YoY in Japan.
The Xbox360 is up 58.71% YoY in Others.

Just if you are interested here are the YoY changes for the PS3:

For the first 3 months:

The PS3 is up 0.32% YoY in America.
The PS3 is up 3.29% YoY in Japan.
The PS3 is down 18.72% YoY in Others

The Xbox360 outsold the PS3 by 415230 units this year. This won't change till Sony drops the price of the PS3.

Talking about the predecessor, the Xbox360 already outsold the Xbox by 5 million units.

There is no way to spin that Sony is THE Loser this gen.



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

^ what the fuck are you even arguing now?



Max King of the Trolls said:
^ what the fuck are you even arguing now?


lol, you're an angry little man. But you're okay.

 



dbot said:
Dark Chaos said:
dbot said:
Dark Chaos said:
Max King of the Wild said:
360 trolls - 50k more after 31 days being half priced in its strongest territory is NOT good no matter how you wanna spin it

 

I hate this half priced crap that PS3 fanboys always use. SONY decided to load the PS3 with features like Online and Wifi and HDD while MS gives you the option. So its SONYs fault. I love how for the PS2 AMericas was  huge region now the PS3 is still less that half of 360.

And now the gap has been reduced to only being outsold by 50k. YEA!!! Only 8 660 000 consoles behind in Americas. PS3 FTW!!!!

Whether you love it or hate it, Max is right.  The 360 is half the price of the PS3 and it is underperforming in sales.   

 

 

is the 360 is underperforming what is the PS3 doing considering it is the successor to the PS2?? Failing Epically

It is because of the PS2 that the PS3 is the first console ever to sell over 21 million units at a $400 price point.  Marketshare is irrelevant this generation, the Wii has already won it.  What has Sony lost other than marketshare?  They still get all of the third party games that the 360 has, in fact they are getting some third party exclusives, and they still publish outstanding first party titles.  So the 360 sells 50k more than the PS3 in March, big deal.  MS generated half the console revenues than the PS3.  In 2009 the 360 fans can enjoy their minor marketshare victories, and the PS3 fans will enjoy an outstanding gaming experience.  That doesn't sound like an epic fail to me.

 

LOL.

How about all its profit from the PS2, PSP. How about all its third party exclusives. Thats like saying Intel goes from dominating AMD with 70% market share to 20% marketshare+ losing tons of money Or IPOD going from 70% marketshare to 20% and losing tons of money. Sadly IPod makes money while PS3 loses. How is that not a fail???

So Dreamcast, GC and Xbox owners enjoyed their gaming experience too. And how is outselling your competition by over 8million Minor??

Atleast you admit that the only reason the PS3 could sell so much is due to the PS1/2 and its Playstation brand recognition.

 

 



DirtyP2002 said:
dbot said:
Dark Chaos said:
Max King of the Wild said:
360 trolls - 50k more after 31 days being half priced in its strongest territory is NOT good no matter how you wanna spin it

 

I hate this half priced crap that PS3 fanboys always use. SONY decided to load the PS3 with features like Online and Wifi and HDD while MS gives you the option. So its SONYs fault. I love how for the PS2 AMericas was  huge region now the PS3 is still less that half of 360.

And now the gap has been reduced to only being outsold by 50k. YEA!!! Only 8 660 000 consoles behind in Americas. PS3 FTW!!!!

Whether you love it or hate it, Max is right.  The 360 is half the price of the PS3 and it is underperforming in sales.   

 

 

 Well how can you say the Xbox360 is underperforming? Without any spin here are the hard facts:

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 03rd Jan 2009 to 04th Apr 2009:

Console X360
America
1,332,713
Japan
147,531
Total Others
1,380,265

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 05th Jan 2008 to 05th Apr 2008:


Console X360
America
982,774
Japan
54,795
Total Others
869,656

 

So for the first 3 months:

The Xbox360 is up 35.60% YoY in America.
The Xbox360 is up 169.24% YoY in Japan.
The Xbox360 is up 58.71% YoY in Others.

Just if you are interested here are the YoY changes for the PS3:

For the first 3 months:

The PS3 is up 0.32% YoY in America.
The PS3 is up 3.29% YoY in Japan.
The PS3 is down 18.72% YoY in Others

The Xbox360 outsold the PS3 by 415230 units this year. This won't change till Sony drops the price of the PS3.

Talking about the predecessor, the Xbox360 already outsold the Xbox by 5 million units.

There is no way to spin that Sony is THE Loser this gen.


there is no loser this gen. just runner ups. for the first time ever there are 3 viable platfroms. this time last gen ps2 had 60-70% market share wii isnt even at 50% yet (unlesd it just got there) for the first time ever the 3rd place console will outsell every 2nd place console and has a chance at first place console.