So, since Gears of War has outsold Lost Odessy, Tales of Vesperia, Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata, Infinite Undescovery, The Last Remnant, Star Ocean, and Enchanted Arms does that mean that Square Enix should abandon Final Fantasy XIII for the XBox 360 and focus their efforts on a third person shooter?

Didn't you get the memo ?

The 360 port of FFXIII is a shooter !

I didn't say highly hyped, I said large budget and those middle tier games are much larger in budget than the largest budget games from the previous generation ...

We see endless bashing of a game like No More Heroes that sold 400,000 copies but I never see any comments about Fracture which sold half as many units and (probably) cost 10 times as much to develop (primarily because NMH is a indie-studio game developed on a shoe-string budget).

Adjustment to values are caused by products in demand, when demand shifts it's only because a product was there to be demanded, demand can not and will not exist without a product; people didn't demand the wheel before it was invented.

The most sound conclusion in the Ps360 'core' argument is that the PS360 have proven that the core audience for Shooters IS larger than the core audience for shooters on the Wii. However in return the Wii core audience for shooters is proving itself to still be present as a competitive figure.

Unless you guys can explain the economics behind ignoring nearly 2 million in sales on Wii platform for 8 million in sales on the PS360 then there is no argument here and further conversation is an attempt to run for the real issue presented by "Happy".

If one is even the least bit curious about that 2 million to 8 million concept for ignoring the Wii, then nothing should be said about or to that person.

In the end it comes down to product however, Wii being the hot machine only means that hypothetically, if Gears and DMC and so on were on the Wii platform with the same amount of investment then Wii's current core for those games would be much larger. But Red Steele is really all it has to show for it.

In conclusion, ever green.

 The point is that not only is there not a big enough "core" audiance on the Wii but also that the Wii is so much less powerful then the PS360 that the game would need to be built for the Wii from the ground up. That costs a lot more oney then adjusting a shader for the PS3 version here compress a little file for 360 there.

From the Ground up tha game needs to be made for Wii.

As for "We don't know how a core game will sell on Wii because there aren't any" Madworld says "hello". And at least 10 other titles non first party.

Madworld is core? I thought it was a niche game. Before this generation began, anything remotely like Madworld was classified as such. It seems a lot of definitions have turned upside down since then.

Cmon don't get offended so easily.

How can you say that the qte's are hard to do cleanly? You never answered that.

1) btw, the reason I said "hardcore" is because I've noticed that in "hardcore" games, obstacles really draw on past game experiences. The "weak point" "box smashing" "kill appendages before you kill head". These are all lessons learned in past gaming. Here's another one, don't put down your controller, but then again, I don't think you've played MGS, or other games that mess with you.

I don't think there was one boss that I already knew the weak point for. On top of that, another lesson is that most contemporary games always allow you to kill the boss no matter what. There is always a way. That's how I knew about the flame gun and satellite gun and fire room, because I ran out of ammo each time.

2) It takes one or two levels to figure out how sheva works, it's not something you go out of your way to find out. She uses the lightest gun you give her in most situations, snipes on the snipe areas, and shotties when 4 or 5 are right near you. She just carries your explosives, which I prefer anyway.

I'm not trying to make fun of you more than I'm trying to point out that I indeed think you ARE capable of doing them, meaning that I don't think you even gave it a chance.

I don't know why, but I cannot for the life of me perform QTE or quick random button presses on the 360 controller. I would argue that it's because I'm not used to the controller, but I do just fine with a PS2 controller while playing GoW, and I have used a 360 controller just as much as a PS2 one.

I had a hellofa time in Sonic Unleashed, especially on the last level, and I couldn't even comprehend what button(s) RE5 was telling me to press before it was already too late. The QTEs go by SO fast.

That being said, my friend who is a 360 zealot said he couldn't even do them, and he's the one who told me to do it the "cheating" way, since that is what he does. Doing it the cheating way just makes it boring at that point, but it's the only way either of us can pass them.

What other games "mess with you" like MGS? I've played the original MGS by the way, but that doesn't mean I expect RE5 to pull out random QTEs on me. I don't remember MGS doing that, and I never had it in my head that RE5 was supposed to be a "mess with you" kind of game.

I'll try to remember exactly which games did what, but I'm certain that there were more than a few that had me put my controller down only to die a few seconds later because I did.

I'm garbage with the 360 controller too.

I think you fail to understand what sort of game is Madworld, its not a core title like Gears or DMC its a very niche title that only caters to certain group within gaming community, released on 360 the game wouldnt sell much more, because of its artstyle mainly, just look at big cell shaded game which is Prince of Persia (it certainly did not flop, but sales are well disspoiting)

And what other tites? 10 ? Please list 10 big (budget, advertisment, good development team) third party efforts that have failed.

There is a core audience on the Wii, and sales of titles do prove it, i really dont mind some developers not puting their games on the Wii , its their choice and they have to face consequences of the decision, but you cannot justify it by saying that there is no audience on nintendo console. And do you think that gamer who bought Zelda: Twilight Princess will ignore similar big product if ever released on the Wii by 3rd party studio? Games like DMC or RE would sell on the Wii like they sell on HD consoles (just look at RE 4 Wii sales, an old port that have been released on other systems).

Wii does not get many blockbusters from 3rd parties, if it would they would sell as well as on 360 or PS3.