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Khuutra on 31 March 2009
noname2200 said:
outlawauron said:

@ noname

Seriously? What are the 20 games better than NMH in 2008 on Wii? I'd like to know, because I can't see how.

Sorry y'all, but No More Heroes was a boring, repetetive, buggy mess. To me, it's like the Halo or Kirby series: I know full well that other people love the games, but damned if they don't bore the hell out of me. So it's not so much that there were 20 fantastic, AAA Wii games released in 2008, as that NMH was really, really mediocre.



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Zlejedi on 31 March 2009
nintendo_fanboy said:
Zlejedi said:
RolStoppable said:
Zlejedi said:
mike_intellivision said:
This is why Rol is unstoppable!

For those who do not understand, people have to defend every time a Wii game does not sell -- but the same is not said for PS3 and Xbox 360 releases.

Mike from Morgantown

Maybe that's becouse Wii fanatics like to wave the flag that it outsells PS3 and X360 combined and whenever third party developer release annual results all those Wii fanatics are always crying they lose money becouse they release on HD systems.

But somehow when a game comparable to what is available on HD consoles comes and all dust settles on the sales it fails to reach any serious numbers unless it is collection of minigames or music game.

If Wii is so amazing 3rd party core game platform then why has CoD 5 WaW sold 3 times less than PS3 version - platform with less than half userbase.

That's easy to explain. The demographics who are interested in FPS games are much more concentrated on the PS3 than on the Wii. This also allowed CoD4 on the PS3 to outsell the bestselling FPS on the PS2 despite an even huger disparity in userbase than PS3 vs. Wii. Now would you doubt that the PS2 was a good platform for third party core games because of this?

Ok so let's ignore COD now let's look at the list - let's remove minigames and casual stuff getting to core games what we see highest is Resident Evil 4 at 1.84M - hardly what one would call amazing third party sales.

The point is Wii can sell tons of minigames, music stuff etc but it cannot sell hardcore game genres better than PS3 or X360 becouse it has much diffrent structure of userbase.

 

You are funny. Resident Evil 4 is the second port of the same game within a few years, and the original can be played on the same console as the port. The game sells 1.84M nonetheless and you call this "hardly amazing"? This is beyond amazing actually, especially considering that it outsold the original version.

And it is one way to look at the sales charts and saying that there isn't anything that sold good, but might I ask, what should have sold good in your opinion? There is no first-tier third party attempt that sold lower than the expectations were, if you ask me.

 

It's beyond amazing that no other core game was able to outsell second rehash of RE for the Wii. And shows how big problem really is. And well actually second bolded part shows also why core gamers don't like Wii I can't even think about anything else than Zelda, Okami or Fire Emblem which I would like to play there at all :)

 



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Majin-Tenshinhan on 31 March 2009
noname2200 said:
outlawauron said:

@ noname

Seriously? What are the 20 games better than NMH in 2008 on Wii? I'd like to know, because I can't see how.

Sorry y'all, but No More Heroes was a boring, repetetive, buggy mess. To me, it's like the Halo or Kirby series: I know full well that other people love the games, but damned if they don't bore the hell out of me. So it's not so much that there were 20 fantastic, AAA Wii games released in 2008, as that NMH was really, really mediocre.

 

 

Just for that, I'm not buying Little King's Story.



noname2200 on 31 March 2009
Majin-Tenshinhan said:
noname2200 said:
outlawauron said:

@ noname

Seriously? What are the 20 games better than NMH in 2008 on Wii? I'd like to know, because I can't see how.

Sorry y'all, but No More Heroes was a boring, repetetive, buggy mess. To me, it's like the Halo or Kirby series: I know full well that other people love the games, but damned if they don't bore the hell out of me. So it's not so much that there were 20 fantastic, AAA Wii games released in 2008, as that NMH was really, really mediocre.

 

 

Just for that, I'm not buying Little King's Story.

I sowwy....

 



Khuutra on 31 March 2009
Zlejedi said:

It's beyond amazing that no other core game was able to outsell second rehash of RE for the Wii. And shows how big problem really is. And well actually second bolded part shows also why core gamers don't like Wii I can't even think about anything else than Zelda, Okami or Fire Emblem which I would like to play there at all :)

You are treading on enormously fallacious territory when you imply that core gamers do not own the Wii.



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BMaker11 on 31 March 2009

It's also time to invalidate the "So what if it didn't sell well, they only need to sell (insert extremely low sales figure) to make profit because Wii development costs are cheap" argument:

http://kotaku.com/5191706/so-how-many-copies-does-a-wii-game-need-to-sell-to-make-money



im_sneaky on 31 March 2009

That wasn't funny at all. Are you really at that level or are you lowering yourself for your audience?



 

 

Khuutra on 31 March 2009
BMaker11 said:
It's also time to invalidate the "So what if it didn't sell well, they only need to sell (insert extremely low sales figure) to make profit because Wii development costs are cheap" argument:

http://kotaku.com/5191706/so-how-many-copies-does-a-wii-game-need-to-sell-to-make-money

BMaker, I am going to remember this forever. This post is going to live on in infamy. Do you understand? Forever.



BMaker11 on 31 March 2009
Khuutra said:
BMaker11 said:
It's also time to invalidate the "So what if it didn't sell well, they only need to sell (insert extremely low sales figure) to make profit because Wii development costs are cheap" argument:

http://kotaku.com/5191706/so-how-many-copies-does-a-wii-game-need-to-sell-to-make-money

BMaker, I am going to remember this forever. This post is going to live on in infamy. Do you understand? Forever.

Good. The next time a "big" 3rd party game comes out, and puts out abysmal numbers, and the excuses start flying, remember that link

 



Khuutra on 31 March 2009
BMaker11 said:
Khuutra said:
BMaker11 said:
It's also time to invalidate the "So what if it didn't sell well, they only need to sell (insert extremely low sales figure) to make profit because Wii development costs are cheap" argument:

http://kotaku.com/5191706/so-how-many-copies-does-a-wii-game-need-to-sell-to-make-money

BMaker, I am going to remember this forever. This post is going to live on in infamy. Do you understand? Forever.

Good. The next time a "big" 3rd party game comes out, and puts out abysmal numbers, and the excuses start flying, remember that link

Let's do a little math here. Does that sound fair?

Now, OkeyDokey has found sources citing Super Mario Galaxy's budget as being a 16 million dollars. My avatar means I can't be trusted (in spite of the rest of my collection, I'm sure), but this seems like a decent figure coming from him, right? Seems about on level with what Gears of War cost, too.

This seem fair so far?