Erhm, well it's difficult to explain the technical details but Intel and AMD before that have gone the way to lower the frequency but to make more computations per clock cycle. This is mainly because they want to speed up existing software for a general platform x486.

IBM on the other had has gone through with the frequency increase, they keep the chip as 'simple' as possible and optimize for speed. So i do think the cell will be available in a 5 or 6Ghz version. (most likely there will be multiple versions with different speeds)

But this is just dedicated hardware, it is meant for the industry and if you try to use it in consumer enviroments you'll end up with industry standard costs and then you'll have 20-30million budgets for movie looking dragons flying around crashing together with your sixaxis on the floor.

Oh and besides, Sony won't bring out those high frequency versions with the PS3 just like they won't bring out a Blue-Ray drive actually faster then a DVD drive. (tough they did it with the PSP-lite) Just remember that they had to cut down on the amount of cells because of yields.
All the technical advantages will be converted to a PS3 witch costs less to produce, not to a better product.

Dolla Dolla said: Hus said: It All has to do with the devs, F5 screwed up while Ea just plain old sucks. Pretty much. Factor 5 tried to push it too hard. 1080p isn't needed to make Lair gorgeous. If they had done 720p, they might've been able to get a stable 60fps. 720p is the sweet spot this gen, due to processor speeds and memory bottlenecks. I sincerely doubt they will change the speed of the cell processor. It doesn't make any sense. Tell the devs to learn how to take advantage of the SPUs, then the frame rate issues will disappear.

1080p is great for a lot of games, just not ones that have huge open environments.

That said, this thread is the first that I think should be tossed out because it's just plain stupid.

You can't change the specs of the PS3 because what would you do to older owners?  Also, the only framerate issues (and I'm not aware of this allegedly widespread problem) are software problems.

By next year EA will have figured it out.  They are always slow on the uptake.  Meanwhile I hope Factor 5 makes a new game and redeems themselves, although my final judgement of the game will remain until I rent it... 

True 1080p is needed this generation, Sony will leave the PS3 on the market for a long time and they have thought ahead, while the guys over at Microsoft have have been forced to add tons of stuff to their system to compete, 120gb HDD, HDMI, another heatsink.

The xbox can't do 1080p from what i have heard, they use HDMI to upscale the image or something. Plus the wii is last gen technology, wii fans already want a HDD, DVD/blu-ray/HD-DVD add-ons, plus lots of stuff the system was not made for. The wii is very close to the same specs of the first Xbox, and still lacks in several locations as Shaders and some other stuff.

Within 3 years all new TV's will be 1080p, and MS/Nintendo will be left behind to fail with the crap they made.

I dont really think that your right . The smaller chips are just smaller and cheaper . The technology is able to run up to that speed , but not the PS3 one .

GranTurismo said: True 1080p is needed this generation, Sony will leave the PS3 on the market for a long time and they have thought ahead, while the guys over at Microsoft have have been forced to add tons of stuff to their system to compete, 120gb HDD, HDMI, another heatsink. The xbox can't do 1080p from what i have heard, they use HDMI to upscale the image or something. Plus the wii is last gen technology, wii fans already want a HDD, DVD/blu-ray/HD-DVD add-ons, plus lots of stuff the system was not made for. The wii is very close to the same specs of the first Xbox, and still lacks in several locations as Shaders and some other stuff. Within 3 years all new TV's will be 1080p, and MS/Nintendo will be left behind to fail with the crap they made.

  Considering the number of SDTVs that I sell over their HDTV counterparts I have to wonder why anyone assumes that HDTV is anywhere near being dominant. SDTVs are far from dead. We do move a fair number of 720p tvs in the 15-20 inch range. We have some 1080i tvs that well are able to sell occasionally. We do not sell 1080p. Our website sells it, but they are from crap brands that I would not reccomend. The chain I work for is large enough that if it doesn't sell something, it is not something that the average consumer is ready for. Most people are still buying cheap dvd players or cheap dvd/vhs players. We still sell an obsecene amount of blank vhs tapes.  Blu-ray, HDDVD, 720p, and 1080p are concepts that I have to explain to customers who have no concept of what Hd is. It is going to be far more than 3 years before the mass market hass accepted such tech.  

 

GranTurismo said: True 1080p is needed this generation, Sony will leave the PS3 on the market for a long time and they have thought ahead, while the guys over at Microsoft have have been forced to add tons of stuff to their system to compete, 120gb HDD, HDMI, another heatsink. The xbox can't do 1080p from what i have heard, they use HDMI to upscale the image or something. Plus the wii is last gen technology, wii fans already want a HDD, DVD/blu-ray/HD-DVD add-ons, plus lots of stuff the system was not made for. The wii is very close to the same specs of the first Xbox, and still lacks in several locations as Shaders and some other stuff. Within 3 years all new TV's will be 1080p, and MS/Nintendo will be left behind to fail with the crap they made.

Wow... just wow.... 1080p is needed ??? RIIIIIIIGHT !!! You just ceep believing that while 95% of all gamers will say: (A) Who cares. (B) Where is the difference? (C) 1080waht???

Wii is last gen tech.... again RIIIIIGHT !!! We´ve been over this a lot, you can´t just put XBOX and Wii specs next to each other and say they are almost the same system regarding power... why don´t you say a GPU with 256mb from five years ago is as good as todays GPUs with 256mb.... it doesn´t work that way.

Best part of your text is the one about Wii fans wanting HDDs and blue-ray, HD-DVD add-ons.... wow, thats why they bought a Wii so they can ceep paying for stuff they don´t need for gaming.... this is why the Wii is selling like hotcakes, it cut the stuff not needed and focuses on the gaming experiance.

Last part is just good old fashion trolling, MS/Nintendo make crap....ok....in three years the world will be fully enlightend by 1080p....(what resolution will Killzone 2 have again ???) everything else will be considred outdated and weak....and we all know the weakest console has never won a generation. 

GranTurismo said: True 1080p is needed this generation, Sony will leave the PS3 on the market for a long time and they have thought ahead, while the guys over at Microsoft have have been forced to add tons of stuff to their system to compete, 120gb HDD, HDMI, another heatsink. The xbox can't do 1080p from what i have heard, they use HDMI to upscale the image or something. Plus the wii is last gen technology, wii fans already want a HDD, DVD/blu-ray/HD-DVD add-ons, plus lots of stuff the system was not made for. The wii is very close to the same specs of the first Xbox, and still lacks in several locations as Shaders and some other stuff. Within 3 years all new TV's will be 1080p, and MS/Nintendo will be left behind to fail with the crap they made.

Well it seems PS3 Hype stroke again... The Xbox 360 can do 1080p since last fall update (thas was just in time for Wii and PS3 launches) Here is the list that i have done with just the games i have in stock in my shop. They are all checked having 1080p on the back of the box : Bioshock Call of Juarez Command & Conquer 3 Colin McRae Dirt Def Jam Icon (announced as 1080p native) Flatout Ultimate Carnage Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter II Monster Madness Moto GP 07 NBA Street Homecourt (announced as 1080p native) Overlord Shadow Run Spiderman 3 Stuntman Ignition Transformers Virtua Tennis 3 (announced as 1080p native) Of course for most of these titles, we have no information to know if they are 1080p native or not but the fact is they can be played in 1080p. And also, please stop thinking Hdmi is needed for 1080p, all Xbox 360 can output 1080p with vga or yuv cables. Bye.

My reply is too long to put here; I've started a topic on why I think we're seeing these issues.

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=6457

It is an architectural issue: the PS3's CBE is simply not suited to gaming applications and the Xbox 360's GPU is much more advanced an architecture.

GranTurismo said: True 1080p is needed this generation, Sony will leave the PS3 on the market for a long time and they have thought ahead, while the guys over at Microsoft have have been forced to add tons of stuff to their system to compete, 120gb HDD, HDMI, another heatsink. The xbox can't do 1080p from what i have heard, they use HDMI to upscale the image or something. Plus the wii is last gen technology, wii fans already want a HDD, DVD/blu-ray/HD-DVD add-ons, plus lots of stuff the system was not made for. The wii is very close to the same specs of the first Xbox, and still lacks in several locations as Shaders and some other stuff. Within 3 years all new TV's will be 1080p, and MS/Nintendo will be left behind to fail with the crap they made.

 All new TVs. Is everyonejust magically going to buy one? No.

 I have a Wii and a 64" 1080p Rear-projection HDTV. MP3 looks great on it. A few jaggies here and there, but it looks just as good as it did in the videos other ththat.

ON TOPIC(instead of feeding the troll) overclocking the cell is as easily possible as it was on the psp. if it happens, it would be a max of a 10% increase(like the psp), they'll use a firmware update for existing systems and the new systems will have it standard. it would have the same effect as upgrading the CPU in your PC.

another thought??? what if they just unlocked the 8th SPE? it would let new games take advantage, while old games are unaffected.

@valen200, where do you work, wal-mart? no 1080p sets at all? that's pathetic, i live in west texas and the local bestbuy outsells hdtvs about 3:2 over sdtvs. there are many consumer electronic stores in dallas that don't even carry sdtvs anymore.