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atma998 said:
NIKOS_SE said:
atma998 said:
NIKOS_SE said:
ok then but lets not forget some things

1.dragon quest 7 was released for the psone in 2000 when the ps2 was already released and the psone had sold more than 17mln consoles

2.dragon quest 8 was released for the ps2 in 2004 when the ps2 had already sold around 17mln consoles

3.and now dragon quest 9 launches on ds in 2009 when ds has sold more than 25mln consoles


while i can understand a big boost in sales....i dont see it as a system seller since the series has been released when platforms had already been old and had already sold the majority of their life-time sales................

 

 Right, and MH2G was released for the PSP in 2008 when the PSP had already sold 10 mln consoles (majority of its life-time sales) and it was definitly a system seller.

So yes we can affirm that DQ is a system seller.

I THINK i didnt make myself clear.i am not talking about monster hunter portable releases,i am talking about past home consoles releases of dragon quest games...........also you dont know that 10mln is the majority sales of psp let alone the fact that monster hunter 2g was released 3.5 years after the release of the psp,and dqx will be released almost 5 years AFTER WII LAUNCH!!!thats a difference........

 

Let me give you some facts :

10 mln IS the majority of PSP sales in Japan considering it is obvious that it won't ever reach 20 mln.

MH2G was released 3¼ years after PSP launch as for DQX we don't know when it will be release but 5 years would mean it will release in late 2011 or early 2012 which is hard to believe. Let's say that it will release in late 2010 or early 2011, which is more realistic, that make 4 years after Wii launch. So the difference is only a year...

That said, knowing how huge DQ is in Japan, you must be very naive to believe it won't push HW sales.

If it releases by then 2011. The game doesn't even have a developer and DQ9 hasn't even released yet.



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No, I don't think so. It'll be close, but the PSP is getting just enough games to keep and hold that lead. It will shrink as the PSP gets older, but it should pad the lead to keep a razor thin margin.

Wii will get within 1-2m units, but given how poor the Wii is selling in Japan (and how bad it has for quite some time), I don't think it will. Handheld gaming is a lot bigger, and the PSP is really benefiting from it.



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The Wii does have some great games coming. Problem is that console gaming has suffered major declines over the past few years, while handhelds are increasing year over year. Even when the Wii gets quality games, and sales increase, they won't be enough to close the gap.



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atma998 said:
MontanaHatchet said:
atma998 said:
MontanaHatchet said:
atma998 said:

 

 It's quite simple you seem to underestimate the two phenomenons that are MH and DQ in Japan. MH is THE reason why the PSP performs so well in Japan (just take a look of PSP sales before MH and after MH). MH2G is the only game with great legs in that market. DQ is even bigger. So with those 2 games it's obvious Wii will outsell PSP.

I don't underestimate them, I understand them just fine. But you seem to forget that Monster Hunter isn't the only reason the PSP performs so well in Japan. It's Monster Hunter, Crisis Core, the various Gundam games, and a variety of colors and models. Monster Hunter is definitely the biggest series for the PSP in Japan and it does a lot to drive hardware sales, but we still have no idea how successful it will be on the Wii. Brain Age 2 on the DS sold over 5 million in Japan, while Big Brain Academy on the Wii only sold 400k. There are a bunch of other examples that prove that success on one platform doesn't necessarily equal success on another. Dragon Quest is a big series, and I expect it to move a lot of hardware. Still, a gap of nearly 4 million (and growing every week) won't just go away because of 2 games. The PSP, even after the launch of MH2G and the PSP-3000 and a bunch of new colors has only moved an additional 3.1 million units over the course of a whole year. Not only that, but the PSP won't be standing still. The Wii will have to not only sell more every week, but have an advantage in numbers that will eventually close the gap between the two consoles.

 

 

 PSP was released in late 2004 while the Wii was released in late 2006. When PSP will stop selling, Wii will sell millions. You have to take that in account first  before claiming a gap of 4 millions. And no, Crisis Core or Gundam games are not the reason why PSP is selling right now (take a look at the legs of those games...). You comparison of Brain Age 2 vs. Big Brain Academy with MH and DQ was ridiculous. RPG is the best selling genre in Japan (console or handheld) so I don't think it will not sell as much on console than it should on a handheld (in proportion).  

Smashchu2: Thank you for having a respectful argument. If I seemed rude either, I'm sorry. Unfortunately your friend here doesn't share the same idea.

Atma: So if the PSP has been out longer, why is it still selling so much more? You could argue that the Wii will still be selling after the PSP is nearly dead, but that wouldn't matter much. The gap will get bigger and bigger before that, and by that time, the Wii's sales will likely be too low to close the gap. As for Crisis Core and Gundam, they're only small parts of the why the PSP's hardware is selling so well. Heck, the PSP just got a big boost in Japan. Was it from new colors, or the game that you so love to claim is responsible for EVERYTHING? My comparison was not ridiculous. The same thing could be said with Pokemon, Animal Crossing, and hell, another RPG, FINAL FANTASY. The best selling Final Fantasy game on a handheld is Final Fantasy III, which sold 2.27 million on the DS. Compare that to 9.72 million for Final Fantasy 7 and you start to wonder. And while you say that RPGs are the best selling games for both consoles and handhelds, that doesn't seem to be true for the Wii. Its best selling RPG in Japan is Super Paper Mario at about 580k (if you even call that game an RPG, what a disappointment).

 

First of all I completely agree with Smashchu2.

 

Now, if I follow your logic PSP sales will always be > than Wii sales? If you take a look at numbers, the main reason why PSP got a boost in Japan is MH or maybe you prefer to believe it's a coincidence that the boost started the same week of MH release date? Now you're saying that your comparison was not ridiculous by making another even more ridiculous comparison : comparing a remake (FFIII) with the best selling FF. What's your point BTW? Finally the reason why the Wii is so low actually is precisely because there wasnt any big RPG released on this platform. MH3 and DQX are among the biggest franchises in that genre. Plus games like Wii Sports Resort and upcoming big 1st party titles can also give HUGE boost to the console and outsell PSP in the long run.

 

The PSP's boost started when the PSP-2000 (PSP Slim) was released, with Crisis Core helping it along (and funnily enough, Dissidia ended up outselling Crisis Core).  Monster Hunter Portable G 2 (and various other games) just kept it going.

http://www.vgchartz.com/japweekly.php?date=39341&console=&maker=&disp=Japanese+Name&boxartz=1

It was the PSP Slim more than anything else that gave the PSP this boost, much like the DS Lite is what sparked the DS's crazy sales in Japan.  The PSP's sales were averaging ~50k a week between the release of the Slim (Sept. '07) and MHPG2 (March '08), which is actually more than they've been average these past few weeks ( 35-40k, aside from last week when it got a boost from... new colors!  not a game!).

Stop acting like he's an idiot.  Your entire post reeks of condescension.

"If you take a look at numbers"

Maybe YOU should've taken a look at the numbers.

Edit:

Also, Monster Hunter only became popular because of the ad-hoc, on the go multiplayer.  The console versions never enjoyed this, and thus never enjoyed sales anywhere close to the handheld versions.  It is unlikely that Monster Hunter 3 will be able to replicate the success of the (current and future) PSP verions.



makingmusic476 said:
atma998 said:

First of all I completely agree with Smashchu2.

 

Now, if I follow your logic PSP sales will always be > than Wii sales? If you take a look at numbers, the main reason why PSP got a boost in Japan is MH or maybe you prefer to believe it's a coincidence that the boost started the same week of MH release date? Now you're saying that your comparison was not ridiculous by making another even more ridiculous comparison : comparing a remake (FFIII) with the best selling FF. What's your point BTW? Finally the reason why the Wii is so low actually is precisely because there wasnt any big RPG released on this platform. MH3 and DQX are among the biggest franchises in that genre. Plus games like Wii Sports Resort and upcoming big 1st party titles can also give HUGE boost to the console and outsell PSP in the long run.

 

The PSP's boost started when the PSP-2000 (PSP Slim) was released, with Crisis Core helping it along (and funnily enough, Dissidia ended up outselling Crisis Core).  Monster Hunter Portable G 2 (and various other games) just kept it going.

http://www.vgchartz.com/japweekly.php?date=39341&console=&maker=&disp=Japanese+Name&boxartz=1

It was the PSP Slim more than anything else that gave the PSP this boost, much like the DS Lite is what sparked the DS's crazy sales in Japan.  The PSP's sales were averaging ~50k a week between the release of the Slim (Sept. '07) and MHPG2 (March '08), which is actually more than they've been average these past few weeks ( 35-40k, aside from last week when it got a boost from... new colors!  not a game!).

Stop acting like he's an idiot.  Your entire post reeks of condescension.

"If you take a look at numbers"

Maybe YOU should've taken a look at the numbers.

Edit:

Also, Monster Hunter only became popular because of the ad-hoc, on the go multiplayer.  The console versions never enjoyed this, and thus never enjoyed sales anywhere close to the handheld versions.  It is unlikely that Monster Hunter 3 will be able to replicate the success of the (current and future) PSP verions.

IMO, arguing Monster Hunter on a console is like arguing Pokemon on a console. They are quintessential handheld games, and do not translate well to consoles at all. Same reason we don't see a ton of grand, awesome, FPS games on handhelds....They just don't translate well.

 



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mrstickball said:
makingmusic476 said:
atma998 said:

First of all I completely agree with Smashchu2.

Now, if I follow your logic PSP sales will always be > than Wii sales? If you take a look at numbers, the main reason why PSP got a boost in Japan is MH or maybe you prefer to believe it's a coincidence that the boost started the same week of MH release date? Now you're saying that your comparison was not ridiculous by making another even more ridiculous comparison : comparing a remake (FFIII) with the best selling FF. What's your point BTW? Finally the reason why the Wii is so low actually is precisely because there wasnt any big RPG released on this platform. MH3 and DQX are among the biggest franchises in that genre. Plus games like Wii Sports Resort and upcoming big 1st party titles can also give HUGE boost to the console and outsell PSP in the long run.

The PSP's boost started when the PSP-2000 (PSP Slim) was released, with Crisis Core helping it along (and funnily enough, Dissidia ended up outselling Crisis Core).  Monster Hunter Portable G 2 (and various other games) just kept it going.

http://www.vgchartz.com/japweekly.php?date=39341&console=&maker=&disp=Japanese+Name&boxartz=1

It was the PSP Slim more than anything else that gave the PSP this boost, much like the DS Lite is what sparked the DS's crazy sales in Japan.  The PSP's sales were averaging ~50k a week between the release of the Slim (Sept. '07) and MHPG2 (March '08), which is actually more than they've been average these past few weeks ( 35-40k, aside from last week when it got a boost from... new colors!  not a game!).

Stop acting like he's an idiot.  Your entire post reeks of condescension.

"If you take a look at numbers"

Maybe YOU should've taken a look at the numbers.

Edit:

Also, Monster Hunter only became popular because of the ad-hoc, on the go multiplayer.  The console versions never enjoyed this, and thus never enjoyed sales anywhere close to the handheld versions.  It is unlikely that Monster Hunter 3 will be able to replicate the success of the (current and future) PSP verions.

IMO, arguing Monster Hunter on a console is like arguing Pokemon on a console. They are quintessential handheld games, and do not translate well to consoles at all. Same reason we don't see a ton of grand, awesome, FPS games on handhelds....They just don't translate well.

I love the Pokemon comparison as it fits so nicely here. MH kinda sucks on consoles, and it really only enjoyable on the PSP because of the multiplayer.



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mrstickball said:
makingmusic476 said:
atma998 said:

First of all I completely agree with Smashchu2.

 

Now, if I follow your logic PSP sales will always be > than Wii sales? If you take a look at numbers, the main reason why PSP got a boost in Japan is MH or maybe you prefer to believe it's a coincidence that the boost started the same week of MH release date? Now you're saying that your comparison was not ridiculous by making another even more ridiculous comparison : comparing a remake (FFIII) with the best selling FF. What's your point BTW? Finally the reason why the Wii is so low actually is precisely because there wasnt any big RPG released on this platform. MH3 and DQX are among the biggest franchises in that genre. Plus games like Wii Sports Resort and upcoming big 1st party titles can also give HUGE boost to the console and outsell PSP in the long run.

 

The PSP's boost started when the PSP-2000 (PSP Slim) was released, with Crisis Core helping it along (and funnily enough, Dissidia ended up outselling Crisis Core).  Monster Hunter Portable G 2 (and various other games) just kept it going.

http://www.vgchartz.com/japweekly.php?date=39341&console=&maker=&disp=Japanese+Name&boxartz=1

It was the PSP Slim more than anything else that gave the PSP this boost, much like the DS Lite is what sparked the DS's crazy sales in Japan.  The PSP's sales were averaging ~50k a week between the release of the Slim (Sept. '07) and MHPG2 (March '08), which is actually more than they've been average these past few weeks ( 35-40k, aside from last week when it got a boost from... new colors!  not a game!).

Stop acting like he's an idiot.  Your entire post reeks of condescension.

"If you take a look at numbers"

Maybe YOU should've taken a look at the numbers.

Edit:

Also, Monster Hunter only became popular because of the ad-hoc, on the go multiplayer.  The console versions never enjoyed this, and thus never enjoyed sales anywhere close to the handheld versions.  It is unlikely that Monster Hunter 3 will be able to replicate the success of the (current and future) PSP verions.

IMO, arguing Monster Hunter on a console is like arguing Pokemon on a console. They are quintessential handheld games, and do not translate well to consoles at all. Same reason we don't see a ton of grand, awesome, FPS games on handhelds....They just don't translate well.

 

 

Well, it think Pokemon could be done on consoles rather well, but they'd have to drastically change the series to do it.  Make it an MMO, make battles 3D like in Pokemon Stadium, plus a load of other changes.

And it would be awesome.




Why is this even in question?

Last year, the Wii had SSBB, Mario Kart Wii, and Wii Fit, and the gap between itself and the PSP actually increased. Not to mention, the PSP's lead right now is 4 million. The Wii hasn't even reached 8 million in Japan and it's been out for more than 2 years, so per annum, its sales don't even equal the difference between the two consoles.

DQX and MH3 are not going to erase a lead of 4 million when the Wii doesn't even sell that many units in one year in Japan. The Wii outselling the PSP in Japan is even less likely than the PS3 outselling the 360 worldwide.

 

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Alterego-X said:
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Yes, the Wii will pass the PSP in Japan.

Align their launches and see for yourself:

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=Japan&cons2=PSP&reg2=Japan&cons3=PSP&reg3=Japan&weeks=225

If the PSP were to win, then the PSP would have to sell this well forever, and the Wii would have to have this drought forever. Both are possible, but I highly doubt that's what will happen.

 

 

I don't get it, what are you guys debating about? This chart alone is a perfect example that the Wii IS constantly outselling the PSP. 

You can choose any number of weeks, and until that time, Wii sold better than PSP.  

The two lines are just not crosing each other, and unless you expect some very drastic DEUS EX MACHINA, they won't ever cross each other. 

 

if that were the case, ps3 would outsell 360 also.