stewacide said: AI is a *tiny* fraction of the processing requirements of any game (that isn't a chess sim). AI, unlike graphics, doesn't naturally improve with time as the hardware gets faster, and improvements generally aren't/can't be built on top of one another... That is to say, AI in every game is a one-off hand-coded job - essentially the wheel is being re-invented in every game you play - and no game has AI remotely ambitious enough to strain any contemporary system: the bottleneck is with the code not the machine. Moreover, AI processing by its nature calls for *HIGHLY* branching code logic, which is exactly what the PS3 and 360 are deficient at by design. I strongly suspect this guy in his position has nothing to do with programming AI.

Kwaad said: Holy shit. what is today? Attack me? More personal attacks in the last 3 days from posters with under 10 posts than I've ever gotten... total.

euclid said: Good point. I would also like to point out that Chris Hecker has never worked on a game that has actually shipped out to consumers (spore will be his first one).

kwaad said: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Hecker Wow. How wrong are you.

Kwaad said: Yup. Here is a link to in-game spore on the DS. http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=10895&type=mov&pl=game

mancandy said:Is that why he painted the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel? Come on? Do you really think John went up to Ringo and said "lead guitarist always gets the chicks"? Okay....maybe he did. But did he say "drums suck, you can't play complicated chords on them"? No. It's music played through a different medium. I think Hecker critizied the Wii itself as a medium. That it is not adequate to deliver artsy games. What does processing power have to do with art?

Kwaad said: Ummm dude. Spore is *the* most anticipated game of 2007.

BenKenobi88 said:I understand what he's talking about...but I disagree. Plus, he based half his argument on the fact that Nintendo's website doesn't mention art specifically, which is a kind of bogus way to judge the company's goals. And sharing quotes from executives is kind of unfair too...if a Nintendo executive was asked if art style was important to their games, he would certainly agree.

Kwaad said: stewacide said: AI is a *tiny* fraction of the processing requirements of any game (that isn't a chess sim). AI, unlike graphics, doesn't naturally improve with time as the hardware gets faster, and improvements generally aren't/can't be built on top of one another... That is to say, AI in every game is a one-off hand-coded job - essentially the wheel is being re-invented in every game you play - and no game has AI remotely ambitious enough to strain any contemporary system: the bottleneck is with the code not the machine. Moreover, AI processing by its nature calls for *HIGHLY* branching code logic, which is exactly what the PS3 and 360 are deficient at by design. I strongly suspect this guy in his position has nothing to do with programming AI. Wow. AI hasnt changed over the last 10 years. Back on Q1 The monsters just came straight at you shooting. In new games like Killzone for the PSP, they find the nearest cover, figure out where you are, and find a place they can shoot you... without getting shot. That's been around for a few years on the way it's done. But this is a handheld. Not a home console. An example of the AI on the home console is like. Heavenly Sword. Where there are 500 people on the screen EACH doing something diffrent. THAT is AI hell if you ask me. Also games like SPORE wich use an AI to animate the creatures is a doozey. That takes an amazing ammount of power. Games like Supreme Commander in beta, when you had more than 3000 units in the game, most controlled by a computer AI, telling them each, what is the best idea for each of them to be doing, with a seprate AI pathing them where to go. AI has changed ALOT over the years.

fooflexible said: Kwaad said: Ummm dude. Spore is *the* most anticipated game of 2007. I seriously doubt it's any where near the top 10. People in the industyr may love it, but they also loved stuff like Okami. The game doesn't have much mass market appeal, at least in my opinion. In regard to his comments, who cares? People in the industry are more critical then the gamers because they deal with these systems. Remember Carmack the other week ripping Sony apart because of it's developer tools? Again it's just one man's opinion. Even if he is respected. Secondly he obviously is not in the hardware business, as he simply expects Nintendo to jump on the graphics train with Sony and Microsoft and take a billion dollar loss. Anyone who's taken a business course knows the rules of business, there has to be two products on the market, the high end product, that's expensive but bought because of it's added value, and the cheap product that's bought because of it's price. Nintendo added to the mix a creative twist with motion controls, but ultimatly they can only survive in this industry by being the cheap gaming solution.

fooflexible said: In regard to his comments, who cares? People in the industry are more critical then the gamers because they deal with these systems. Remember Carmack the other week ripping Sony apart because of it's developer tools? Again it's just one man's opinion. Even if he is respected. Secondly he obviously is not in the hardware business, as he simply expects Nintendo to jump on the graphics train with Sony and Microsoft and take a billion dollar loss. Anyone who's taken a business course knows the rules of business, there has to be two products on the market, the high end product, that's expensive but bought because of it's added value, and the cheap product that's bought because of it's price. Nintendo added to the mix a creative twist with motion controls, but ultimatly they can only survive in this industry by being the cheap gaming solution.