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Squilliam on 07 March 2009
alephnull said:
Squilliam said:
alephnull said:
Final-Fan said:
alephnull said:
Squilliam said:
Maybe its the fault of Linux, if they didn't change the code-base so often it would be more worthwhile to support the cards for longer. See, it works both ways.
If Redmond doesn't pay you, they should.

I don't see what Nintendo has to do with this. 

Well, as Squilliam will no doubt inform you, the wii has similar video card issues. It's common knowledge that the Wii's inability to push polygons at rates similar to the 360 or any modern x86 compatible PC (with an MS owned OS), can almost entirely be ascribed to it's lack of directx support.

 

Hugs and kisses! We all know that Microsoft deliberately fails to support the Wii because they are jealous at the colour of white Nintendo uses. The Xbox 360 is sort of an off white colour, which infuriates Microsoft.

 

Hah, shows what you know. The Wii is the one that is off white. The Microsoft extended color standard indicates that the 360 is in fact white. You can whine all day that this isn't fully compatible with international industry color standards; however, at the end of the day the vast majority of artists use photoshop on a Windows machine which makes this the defacto industry color standard. Only Ivory tower academics and Communists use anything else.

 

So the whole Imac = white concept is based on trying to destroy this lie?

 



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alephnull on 07 March 2009
Squilliam said:
alephnull said:

Hah, shows what you know. The Wii is the one that is off white. The Microsoft extended color standard indicates that the 360 is in fact white. You can whine all day that this isn't fully compatible with international industry color standards; however, at the end of the day the vast majority of artists use photoshop on a Windows machine which makes this the defacto industry color standard. Only Ivory tower academics and Communists use anything else.

 

So the whole Imac = white concept is based on trying to destroy this lie?

 

 

Yes, steve jobs is "the one". Didn't you get the memo?



alephnull on 07 March 2009

Or see the Superbowl add?



SnesTea on 07 March 2009
alephnull said:
Or see the Superbowl add?

 

from '84 with the hammer? Gosh that's ancient.



Squilliam on 07 March 2009
alephnull said:
Squilliam said:
alephnull said:

Hah, shows what you know. The Wii is the one that is off white. The Microsoft extended color standard indicates that the 360 is in fact white. You can whine all day that this isn't fully compatible with international industry color standards; however, at the end of the day the vast majority of artists use photoshop on a Windows machine which makes this the defacto industry color standard. Only Ivory tower academics and Communists use anything else.

 

So the whole Imac = white concept is based on trying to destroy this lie?

 

 

Yes, steve jobs is "the one". Didn't you get the memo?

I think I left it under my Wii controller, I kinda forgot about it there.

 



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Soleron on 07 March 2009
WereKitten said:
Slimebeast said:
WTH, this ain't AMD's fault, don't blame them! Soleron, take your hate elsewhere lol.

It's Linux that is garbage.

Uhm, no, it's not. And it _is_ AMD's fault.

Linux never offered ABI compatibility guarantees for drivers. In other words it does not guarantee that as the kernel evolves your binary driver blob will keep working with it. What it offers is the chance for driver developers to place their driver's source in sync with the kernel tree, and then it will be compiled in an updated form by packagers and distributions (or even by users in source-based distros as Gentoo).

The choices for a developer then are:

1) accept Linux' model, that guarantees the compatiblity, by releasing the drivers source. That's what Intel is doing with its integrated GPUs

2) if releasing the source is not possible for patent infringement issues, release an easy way to recompile the driver module to interface with a closed source blob that is kept updated. That's what NVIDIA does, and their graphics driver support is the best under Linux

3) guarantee to the users that they will keep updating the binary driver. This is what AMD promised, this is what they stopped doing for the OT's hardware. It's a hardly viable solution anyway, good luck keeping pace with the kernel changes.

The policy under Linux for ABI compatibility is very clear and known, and was chosen so to not stifle evolution of the kernel subsystems. it was up to AMD to choose how to tackle the issue, and they overpromised and then broke their "contract". How is that not their fault?

This. Yeah, I forgot Nvidia does update their legacy driver with new X Server support via method 2. That's why Nvidia will still work and AMD will not.

AMD ought to do method 1, but won't due to legal reasons. This is the "Linux way" of doing things - then kernel developers will update your driver FOR YOU at no cost.

And method 3 was indeed promised, though not officially. They said, OSS driver is for distribution and 2D stuff, and the binary is for 3D performance. And now...

 



Slimebeast on 07 March 2009

AMD has a great driver team, but they probably just are lacking resources to support Linus at the moment. It's a company under tremendous economical pressur. You just have to forgive them.

And Linuz ain't making it easy by demanding a driver recount each 6 months.

The X1950 Pro is an old ass card anyway, weaker than a PS360.

Soleron, just buy a new 4870 and keep being a happy AMD fan. ^^



WereKitten on 07 March 2009
Slimebeast said:
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And Linuz ain't making it easy by demanding a driver recount each 6 months.
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They don't. It's the OT distribution that chose to go with a new version every 6 months.

Actually a binary driver could break much more often, in theory each time the kernel is updated. But the point is that not all drivers break: only those drivers who chose to live as red-headed stepchilds by only releasing binary blobs instead of being packaged in sync with the kernel.

 



"All you need in life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain

"..." - Gordon Freeman

Slimebeast on 07 March 2009

^I wish you culd speak in laymans terms.

The only thing those phrases prove to me is that Linux means trouble. Windows is the way to go if you want things to flow easily without a lot of hazzle and frustration.

 

I just update my Catalist pack every three or so months, I get a nice performance boost for the latest games and everything works perfectly in Xp.



Soleron on 07 March 2009

Slimebeast, if they made the driver open then the kernel devs would update the driver for them. It would require no additional work on AMD's part.

An analogy, on Windows, is when Microsoft says "if you want your drivers to work with future Windows versions, they must be packaged like this, this and this.". Imagine if AMD said, "No, we're doing it THIS way because it suits us. Imagine said drivers broke on the next version of Windows (like many XP ones did on Vista). Would it be MS's fault? No; they TOLD the companies how to make drivers so they would continue to work. If the companies went their own way, it's their fault when it doesn't work out.