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Undying said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Undying said:
bugrimmar said:

A lot of people saying it was gonna sell well over a million or something on the first week.

 

 

Who the hell would say that? Thats almost as stupid as saying Killzone 2 would sell millions of copies week 1.


or k2 1.2million lt and lbp 300k lt

 

KZ2 has yet to pass 1 million, and there was no way LBP should have sold as much as it did. I did not take into account how starved for games PS3 owners were.

LBP deserves every sale it gets.  It's a fantastic game and just because you didn't like it you should still be able to appreciate it for what it is and the massive amount of awards it has won.

 



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Chris Hu said:
Max King of the Wild said:
^ hes talking about chris hu. chris hu was saying so did better than yakuza because of the install base. euphoria is trying to show him how silly that is it . wasnt suppose to make sense.

Guess what if you knew basic math you would know that I have a valid arguement.

 


i have basic math skills as ive shown time and time again. like when i averaged k2 sales expectations. that took adding and division and i didnt need a calculator to add 75 numbers WOW!!!! or how about when i figure out k2 budget that takes a lot of multiplication. or when i figured if so4 exclusive to the 360 was a good business decision. even though i know all of that you still have no legit argument



Euphoria14 said:
Rei said:
Euphoria14 said:
Rei said:
Euphoria14 said:
Rei said:
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jpain333 said:
Max King of the Wild said:

 

 

 

Read what I wrote to Shadowblind. You show me an exclusive JRPG released on the PS3.

You have nothing on me pal. Keep trying. I am bringing up fact, you have brought up nothing yet.

 

You have nothing but your hopes. Basically, you act as if some major PS3 exclusive jRPG has already got released and turned into a major success. But guess what? Nothing like this has happened.

   But then again, isnt "Believe" a key word for PS fanboys? keep believing them, but dont pretend like you know for a fact that PS3 seels jRPGs better if you have nothing buy your hopes to prove it.

 

 

Whatever bro. I am hitting you with numbers, you know, FACTS!

You are coming back with empty words.

So the first JRPG for the 360 can sell big but the first JRPG for the PS3 can't?

Talk about your double standards pal.

Who is more credible here?

Come back when you have a real argument.

Like I said before, if exclusive SJRPG already sell better on the PS3 what makes you assume that exclusive JRPG's won't sell good either? Try answering that one. I am at least giving a valid argument, you're not giving a valid counter point.

You're toast.

   What facts? The only thing I see from you is your assumption and hopes that some "PS3 exclusive jRPG" will appear and sell better than jRPGs on 360. Nothing more. No attempts for a discussion. No facts.

   You're a tool.

 

 

First of all, reported. No need to go into personal insults. That just makes me look even better.

Second of all, once again you did not even provide a valid counter argument for why my assumption could be wrong.

Until you do that your words mean nothing. You can not say my opinion is wrong if you do not counter it at least and give reasons why it wouln't sell well.

This is what you are failing to understand. You are completely missing the point.

I brought up SJRPG sales to help my opinion and they are, which many here will agree is a much more niche genre than JRPG. Please tell me why JRPG won't sell as well? Especially the PS3's first exclusive JRPG, which also happened to blow past expectations in Japan. Not just first week sales either, it past 2nd week expectations as well.

 

   What a weakling you are, I could have reported you aswell, yet didnt and wont bother.

WKC will not sell well in the West because:

- there were no traditional jRPGs on PS3 that sold well.

- It will get average reviews (assumption based on 3 reviews already available)

- It will not be advertised well (assumption based on past Sony's launches)

- The strongest PS3's western region is Europe, where jRPGs are pretty much non-existant. And while North America can sell jRPGs - PS3's install base there doesnt let any PS3 exclusive to reach its sales potential.

- It's an unknown IP from a dev which has never made a jRPG game successfull outside of Japan.



youre a brave man for touching such a short post with such a high amount of flamebait



Max King of the Wild said:
Torillian said:
Undying said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Undying said:
bugrimmar said:

A lot of people saying it was gonna sell well over a million or something on the first week.

 

 

Who the hell would say that? Thats almost as stupid as saying Killzone 2 would sell millions of copies week 1.


or k2 1.2million lt and lbp 300k lt

 

KZ2 has yet to pass 1 million, and there was no way LBP should have sold as much as it did. I did not take into account how starved for games PS3 owners were.

LBP deserves every sale it gets.  It's a fantastic game and just because you didn't like it you should still be able to appreciate it for what it is and the massive amount of awards it has won.

 


youre a brave man for touching such a short post with such a high amount of flamebait

I just believe in giving credit where it is due.  I did not enjoy the first gears incredibly when I played through it with a friend, but I don't disagree with how well it sold because I understand that it was still a quality game even if it didn't suit my tastes.

 



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Only thing I realize hurt my argument a bit is Blue Dragon first week sales in Japan even though it is only a 20k difference over WKC after sales are tripled.

I will admit legs on BD look to be much better than WKC in Japan, but WKC looks to be less aimed at the Japan audience than WKC was.




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Max King of the Wild said:
Chris Hu said:
Max King of the Wild said:
^ hes talking about chris hu. chris hu was saying so did better than yakuza because of the install base. euphoria is trying to show him how silly that is it . wasnt suppose to make sense.

Guess what if you knew basic math you would know that I have a valid arguement.

 


i have basic math skills as ive shown time and time again. like when i averaged k2 sales expectations. that took adding and division and i didnt need a calculator to add 75 numbers WOW!!!! or how about when i figure out k2 budget that takes a lot of multiplication. or when i figured if so4 exclusive to the 360 was a good business decision. even though i know all of that you still have no legit argument

SO4 is the secound best selling 360 game in Japan after less then two weeks of sales which is not a failure no matter how you look at it.  No game on the 360 in Japan is going to sell over 300k copies until the userbase is substantially over 1 million.  If you really think that SO4 was a failure in Japan then guess what all publishers that make 360 games for Japan wish they could have a similar failure.

 



Euphoria14 said:
Shadowblind said:
Euphoria14 said:
Shadowblind said:
Euphoria14 said:
 

 

Show me an exclusive PS3 JRPG first.

Not a SRPG.

Well now we have a problem. When does WKC come out in the US?

P.S. I dont really know if Folklore is a JRPG or not, but it sold 200k. Judging from its release date and name though, I'd guess it is.

 

What I am saying here is that facts already show that even with a smaller install base the PS3 already sells better in terms of SJRPGs than the XBox360 so why do people assume it won't be the case with JRPGs? Going by the same userbase argument it can be said that PS3 SJRPG in the US sell almost on par with US JRPG sales on the 360 outside of a title like Lost Odyssey, which was also the 360's first big JRPG, just as WKC will be. So why will do people think it won't sell too?

As I said before, WKC will have to sell 100k lifetime in the US and 30k in it's first week in order for me to be proven wrong.

 

This is a HUGE double standard by so many in this thread.


Sorry Euphoria, but what the hell are you talking about? If we want to compare user bases here, should the 360 have the same base in Japan as the PS3 then by this same skewed logic SO4 would have sold 3 times as much, putting it up there with around 500k for its FIRST week. The PS3 userbase is  GREATER THEN 3 times larger then the 360s, not 2 times larger.

At the same time I don't understand where you are coming from with the notion that the PS3 does sell JRPGs better WW then the 360(I know your not talking about Japan. You said smaller userbase, unless it was worded wrong.) I'm sure I'm not understanding this part right, because your not usually one to say things that are just absolutely wrong. If your talking about Valkyria Chronicles, it sold even LESS in the US then even tales of vesperia, a niche anime-inspired JRPG in a land and on a userbase that doesn't even buy many JRPGs in general. If you want proof of how niche Tales games are in the US, just look at its past games, Symphonia nonwithstanding.


Frankly your entire post didn't make much coherent sense to me. I may be reading it wrong, but it just seemed like a bunch of contradictory remarks...just reword it is all I'm asking. Because right now, your not making much sense here....

 

You all clearly do not understand what I am trying to say.I only brought up the Userbase argument because it was used heavily by 360 fans in the WKC Japan sales thread.

I am just giving a reason for why WKC can and most likely will sell well on the PS3.

I am getting attacked for it yet nobody has even given anywhere near a valid counterpoint as to why it won't.

Until then I can't be wrong.

What I am saying is why won't WKC sell great at launch seeing as how it is the PS3's first BIG exlusive JRPG meanwhile Lost Odyssey could? Mind you 360's weren't originally purchased for JRPGs back then, like how many claim PS3's were.

I know Lost Odyssey sold well because it was the first one not only this gen but the first on 360. It is actually the reason I picked up my 360 in February 2008.

 

People can come at me all they want, I am still yet to hear a valid counterpoint to prove my opinion wrong.

 

SO4 is also a flagship title by the way, WKC is a new IP, that is why I am comparing it to Lost Odyssey.

If new IP sells better on PS3 than new IP on 360 I am sure established franchise on PS3 would sell better than established franchise on 360.

Lost Odyssey on the 360 sold 56k in it's first week, even with your argument it still sells less than the first week sales of a new IP White Knight Chronicles if you triple it's sales.

Now do you understand?

 

New IP vs New IP.

 

 

 Your right damn straight I don't, your entire last post was a mess.

If we are arguing whether or not WKC can sell well on PS3 in US and Europe, then you can neither prove nor can we disprove anything. Frankly, based on your past posts I had no idea thats what we were arguing about here. So theres nothing we can say except "I think, I guess, I would presume, I believe" on this topic.

This New IP vs. New IP wouldn't mean jack to whether or not established franchises sell better then new IPs on PS3. Even if WKC sells 5 billion copies first day it doesn't mean a new Tales game or SO game on PS3 would even break 5k first day. Haven't the sales of Vesperia taught you anything? 

Though you are talking about Japan, right? Again, based on your last post I couldn't have known that. What I don't think you do understand is that in Japan, the market is too small based on the existing userbase to truly get a huge amount. 400k LTD may be huge for japan, but if it means barely passing 100k in other territories on a machine that is known for needing larger budgets for games that doesn't do much good profit wise now does it? 

Don't even bring SO4 into this argument. Its been out for one week and hasn't even been released in Other territories yet. Frankly this entire thread shouldn't be here for 5 more weeks. 



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Rei said:

   What a weakling you are, I could have reported you aswell, yet didnt and wont bother.

WKC will not sell well in the West because:

- there were no traditional jRPGs on PS3 that sold well.

- It will get average reviews (assumption based on 3 reviews already available)

- It will not be advertised well (assumption based on past Sony's launches)

- The strongest PS3's western region is Europe, where jRPGs are pretty much non-existant. And while North America can sell jRPGs - PS3's install base there doesnt let any PS3 exclusive to reach its sales potential.

- It's an unknown IP from a dev which has never made a jRPG game successfull outside of Japan.

 

I never insulted you and once again you go right back to the insults.

 

#1. Where is the exclusive JRPG that released? Where are the JRPG that released on PS3 in the US that did not come 6-12 months after the 360 version?

#2. Lost Odyssey is sitting at 78 on metacritic, those are average reviews as well. I don't see your point. To be honest, pretty much all JRPG released this gen have mediocre scores other than Tales which is well known to be niche so nobody was expecting big sales.

#3. Neither was Disgaea 3 and/r Valkyria Chronicles, yet they sold very well for SJRPG.

#4. Sales can still reach 50% of 360 JRPG sales or possibly more, meaning it can sell same average as 360 JRPGs in the US. Total userbase is also over-rated in my opinion. It matters more how big your JRPG fanbase is, not your overall userbase, but this is a whole other can of worms.

#5. I guess Lost Odyssey had the odds stacked against it as well looking at Blue Dragon US sales compared to Japan. Look how that turned out. -.-



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